From: Carbon on
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:40:34 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <ac846e85-0adb-4709-9406-220d71ca8482
> @l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> Followiing his ordering of Gitmo closed within a year, the right
>>>> wing scare machine jumped into action, frightening Americans into
>>>> beleiving that our prisons were incapable of holding prisoners (as
>>>> if terrorists had some sort of X-Men magical powers -- no prison
>>>> could hold them), and that terrorists would soon be walking the
>>>> streets of America.
>>>>
>>>> Like most arguments advanced by the right, it was based in pure
>>>> fantasy. And like most arguments advanced by the right, many stupid
>>>> American people bought it hook, line and sinker.
>>>>
>>>> Americans = often not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
>>>
>>> So what color is the sky in your world? America didn't want the scum
>>> here. Obama listened. A first for him.
>>
>> Are they worse scum than the rapists and child molesters that we
>> incarcerate here?
>
> Like Obama you haven't thought it through. What is the difference
> between the persons housed at Gitmo and the criminals you described?

Those housed at Gitmo have been tortured, so there is no practical way
to prosecute them.
From: Carbon on
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote:
> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
> news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 30, 3:24 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So will the next administration then be able to blame everything on
>>>> Obama? Because Obama will certainly be leaving a mess.
>>>
>>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed
>>> everything on Carter?
>>
>> Carter was a terrible President, but I always laugh when Reagan is
>> given credit for the release of the American abductees in Teheran.
>> That happened during Carter's administration...the day before Reagan
>> took office.
>
> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office.

When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie actor, and
not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians would have known or
cared. The mythology came later.

Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much luckier.
From: Carbon on
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:38:11 -0700, John B. wrote:
> On Jul 30, 5:29 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>> <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
>> news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com...>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>>> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed
>>>> everything on Carter?
>>>
>>> Carter was a terrible President, but  I always laugh when Reagan is
>>> given credit for the release of the American abductees in Teheran.
>>> That happened during Carter's administration...the day before Reagan
>>> took office.
>>
>> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office.
>
> And what would that have been?

Nancy's astrologer.
From: Alan Baker on
In article <4c536921$0$5002$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote:
> > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
> > news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> >> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jul 30, 3:24 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> So will the next administration then be able to blame everything on
> >>>> Obama? Because Obama will certainly be leaving a mess.
> >>>
> >>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed
> >>> everything on Carter?
> >>
> >> Carter was a terrible President, but I always laugh when Reagan is
> >> given credit for the release of the American abductees in Teheran.
> >> That happened during Carter's administration...the day before Reagan
> >> took office.
> >
> > Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office.
>
> When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie actor, and
> not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians would have known or
> cared. The mythology came later.
>
> Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much luckier.

Actually, I don't think that's fair. I think one of the key differences
between Reagan and G.W. Bush is that Reagan wasn't as easily led around.
He might not have had the education that Bush had, but he had a more
forceful personality, whereas Bush, Jr. was more a "go along" kind of
guy.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Carbon on
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:37:55 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-C06CE9.13143130072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> In article <8bgpttFmcfU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW"
>> <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>>> news:alangbaker-EDCC5B.13025030072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>>>
>>>> The full video is 43 minutes long.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXk>
>>>>
>>>> Don't you think a real journalist would have reviewed that before
>>>> putting up cherry-picked sections of it and passing judgement?
>>>
>>> What makes you think he didn't have the whole video?
>>
>> If he did, that makes his actions even worse, because it has been
>> pretty much universally agreed that anyone who has seen the whole
>> video could never have made the claims of racism that Breitbart made.
>>
>> You're really digging yourself a hole here, Mike, and for what?
>>
> I not digging anything. Breitbart is attempting to show racism at the
> NAACP, not specifically to Sherrod. Whether you think he does or does
> not accomplish this is debatable.

He was attempting to smear the NAACP, not "show racism." Look at his
deliberately misleading excerpt. Then look at the full video. Unless
you're totally demented you'll be able to see what he did.
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