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From: Carbon on 30 Jul 2010 20:25 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:14:11 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > In article <4c536921$0$5002$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote: >>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>> news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >>>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 30, 3:24 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So will the next administration then be able to blame everything >>>>>> on Obama? Because Obama will certainly be leaving a mess. >>>>> >>>>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed >>>>> everything on Carter? >>>> >>>> Carter was a terrible President, but I always laugh when Reagan is >>>> given credit for the release of the American abductees in Teheran. >>>> That happened during Carter's administration...the day before >>>> Reagan took office. >>> >>> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office. >> >> When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie actor, and >> not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians would have known >> or cared. The mythology came later. >> >> Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much luckier. > > Actually, I don't think that's fair. I think one of the key > differences between Reagan and G.W. Bush is that Reagan wasn't as > easily led around. He might not have had the education that Bush had, > but he had a more forceful personality, whereas Bush, Jr. was more a > "go along" kind of guy. Please read: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967389,00.html
From: Alan Baker on 30 Jul 2010 20:35 In article <4c536d83$0$5003$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:14:11 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > > In article <4c536921$0$5002$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote: > >>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >>> news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com... > >>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > >>>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 30, 3:24 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> So will the next administration then be able to blame everything > >>>>>> on Obama? Because Obama will certainly be leaving a mess. > >>>>> > >>>>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed > >>>>> everything on Carter? > >>>> > >>>> Carter was a terrible President, but I always laugh when Reagan is > >>>> given credit for the release of the American abductees in Teheran. > >>>> That happened during Carter's administration...the day before > >>>> Reagan took office. > >>> > >>> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office. > >> > >> When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie actor, and > >> not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians would have known > >> or cared. The mythology came later. > >> > >> Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much luckier. > > > > Actually, I don't think that's fair. I think one of the key > > differences between Reagan and G.W. Bush is that Reagan wasn't as > > easily led around. He might not have had the education that Bush had, > > but he had a more forceful personality, whereas Bush, Jr. was more a > > "go along" kind of guy. > > Please read: > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967389,00.html That supports my point. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Carbon on 30 Jul 2010 20:42 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:35:40 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > In article <4c536d83$0$5003$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:14:11 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: >>> In article <4c536921$0$5002$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote: >>>>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B." >>>>>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:24 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So will the next administration then be able to blame >>>>>>>> everything on Obama? Because Obama will certainly be leaving a >>>>>>>> mess. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed >>>>>>> everything on Carter? >>>>>> >>>>>> Carter was a terrible President, but I always laugh when Reagan >>>>>> is given credit for the release of the American abductees in >>>>>> Teheran. That happened during Carter's administration...the day >>>>>> before Reagan took office. >>>>> >>>>> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office. >>>> >>>> When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie actor, >>>> and not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians would have >>>> known or cared. The mythology came later. >>>> >>>> Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much luckier. >>> >>> Actually, I don't think that's fair. I think one of the key >>> differences between Reagan and G.W. Bush is that Reagan wasn't as >>> easily led around. He might not have had the education that Bush >>> had, but he had a more forceful personality, whereas Bush, Jr. was >>> more a "go along" kind of guy. >> >> Please read: >> >> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967389,00.html > > That supports my point. How do you figure that? His wife had enormous influence on him based on the advice of... wait for it... an astrologer.
From: Alan Baker on 30 Jul 2010 20:44 In article <4c537169$0$4995$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:35:40 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > > In article <4c536d83$0$5003$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:14:11 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > >>> In article <4c536921$0$5002$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote: > >>>>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com... > >>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > >>>>>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:24 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So will the next administration then be able to blame > >>>>>>>> everything on Obama? Because Obama will certainly be leaving a > >>>>>>>> mess. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed > >>>>>>> everything on Carter? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Carter was a terrible President, but I always laugh when Reagan > >>>>>> is given credit for the release of the American abductees in > >>>>>> Teheran. That happened during Carter's administration...the day > >>>>>> before Reagan took office. > >>>>> > >>>>> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office. > >>>> > >>>> When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie actor, > >>>> and not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians would have > >>>> known or cared. The mythology came later. > >>>> > >>>> Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much luckier. > >>> > >>> Actually, I don't think that's fair. I think one of the key > >>> differences between Reagan and G.W. Bush is that Reagan wasn't as > >>> easily led around. He might not have had the education that Bush > >>> had, but he had a more forceful personality, whereas Bush, Jr. was > >>> more a "go along" kind of guy. > >> > >> Please read: > >> > >> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967389,00.html > > > > That supports my point. > > How do you figure that? His wife had enormous influence on him based on > the advice of... wait for it... an astrologer. 1. A wife is a life long companion and thus is *always* going to have an enormous influence on her husband, if she chooses to avail herself of it. 2. He chose to listen to her rather than go along with his staff. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 30 Jul 2010 21:23
"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4c537169$0$4995$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:35:40 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > > In article <4c536d83$0$5003$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:14:11 -0700, Alan Baker wrote: > >>> In article <4c536921$0$5002$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote: > >>>>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:o6b656hpv3u229n27tdplr8kpn6hneppv4(a)4ax.com... > >>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > >>>>>> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:24 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So will the next administration then be able to blame > >>>>>>>> everything on Obama? Because Obama will certainly be leaving a > >>>>>>>> mess. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If he leaves a mess, yes. Did you complain when Reagan blamed > >>>>>>> everything on Carter? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Carter was a terrible President, but I always laugh when Reagan > >>>>>> is given credit for the release of the American abductees in > >>>>>> Teheran. That happened during Carter's administration...the day > >>>>>> before Reagan took office. > >>>>> > >>>>> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took office. > >>>> > >>>> When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie actor, > >>>> and not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians would have > >>>> known or cared. The mythology came later. > >>>> > >>>> Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much luckier. > >>> > >>> Actually, I don't think that's fair. I think one of the key > >>> differences between Reagan and G.W. Bush is that Reagan wasn't as > >>> easily led around. He might not have had the education that Bush > >>> had, but he had a more forceful personality, whereas Bush, Jr. was > >>> more a "go along" kind of guy. > >> > >> Please read: > >> > >> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967389,00.html > > > > That supports my point. > > How do you figure that? His wife had enormous influence on him based on > the advice of... wait for it... an astrologer. Good grief. Reagan lifted a nation out of a severe recession, marked by gas shortages, hyper inflation, umemployment, and double digit mortgages by giving Americans a sense hope and patriotism while reducing government spending, which O should do!! He inspired confidence and he stuck to his principles, which led to winning the Cold War. He was the greatest presidence of my lifetime, yet all you can do is focus on his goofy 2nd wife. As for the Iranian question, I think Reagan would have been far more forceful than Rose Garden Carter. The means is speculation. His resolve isn't. -Greg |