From: bknight on
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:37:56 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net>
wrote:

>On 27 Jul 2010 23:40:54 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> Yep. The new boss is the same as the old one.
>>
>>I personally think he would close it if he thought he could. The problem
>>is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy combatants to
>>justice because they have all been tortured. As with the quagmire in the
>>Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions of the previous
>>administration.
>
>Also, terrorists don't have an authority that we can get to surrender
>who will get them to surrender. It's like the "war on drugs".

But yet you blame Obama for not closing Gitmo. That was his first
executive order, remember?

BK
From: William Clark on
In article <y%I3o.40097$3%3.36270(a)newsfe23.iad>,
"Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:

> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4c4e1aff$0$5008$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:57:52 -0700, John B. wrote:
> >> On Jul 26, 4:55 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> >>> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in
> >>> message
> >>> news:clark-DE19F7.14060026072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >>>
> >>>> Well, we already have Health Care reform and Wall Street reform. In
> >>>> one year; that's more than Dumbnuts accomplished in eight. Plua a
> >>>> tax cut if you are under $250,000 p.a.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's none so blind . .
> >>>
> >>> If making Health Care more expensive is the kind of reform you were
> >>> looking for then you got it. If forcing lenders to give subprime
> >>> loans was the kind of reform you wanted you got that too.
> >>
> >> Forcing lenders to give sub-prime loans? Where the hell did you get
> >> that?
> >
> > It's an article of faith among the dittoheads/teabaggers. Right along
> > with Obama is a citizen of Kenya, Obama is a closet Muslim, Obama is an
> > alien from outer space, the US has the best healthcare system in the
> > world, and all the rest of it.
>
> Try learning about the community reinvestment act.

Try learning . . period.
From: John B. on
On Jul 27, 8:36 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:16:31 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> >>>> And YOU actually SUPPORT keeping Gitmo open!
>
> >>>Apparently so does Obama.
>
> >>Yep.   The new boss is the same as the old one.
>
> >If you really believe that Howard, you need help.
>
> We all need help.  
>
> But the issues I cared about haven't changed.
>
How many issues do you care about? I'm guessing two.
From: Howard Brazee on
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> But the issues I cared about haven't changed.
>>
>How many issues do you care about? I'm guessing two.

Two main ones, but others are related.

The corporate welfare breaks the free enterprise system. If decision
makers don't pay for bad decisions, they do not make optimal
decisions. And it's expensive.

There are lots of things wrong with the war, but the war happens to be
the biggest part of the budget that can be changed. By far. (93%
of the budget is for Military, Social Security & Medicare, & Interest)

A third issue is how much our politicians are in the pockets of
corporations which pay them. This leads them to make decisions that
Big Business wants. I'd rather make the system friendly to small
business - which would be good for Big Business in the long run (but
that's the next guy's problem).

So those issues impact the economy, and the economy impacts a score of
other issues, such as immigration, hate groups, defense, health care,
education, the space program...

Help the middle class, and our country will be richer, stronger, and
happier.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Carbon on
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:58:48 -0500, bknight wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:37:56 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net>
> wrote:
>> On 27 Jul 2010 23:40:54 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep. The new boss is the same as the old one.
>>>
>>> I personally think he would close it if he thought he could. The
>>> problem is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy
>>> combatants to justice because they have all been tortured. As with
>>> the quagmire in the Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions
>>> of the previous administration.
>>
>> Also, terrorists don't have an authority that we can get to surrender
>> who will get them to surrender. It's like the "war on drugs".
>
> But yet you blame Obama for not closing Gitmo. That was his first
> executive order, remember?

Personally, I don't hold it against him. I think once he was briefed on
what was really going on he saw how difficult it would be to do.
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