From: John B. on
On Jul 30, 10:07 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:51:41 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <4c5380fb$0$4855$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:33:42 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> In article <4c537c54$0$4995$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >>> Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:44:42 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>> In article <4c537169$0$4995$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >>>>> Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:35:40 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <4c536d83$0$5003$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >>>>>>> Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:14:11 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>> <4c536921$0$5002$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, Carbon
> >>>>>>>>> <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:29:47 -0700, dene wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Because the Iranians knew what was coming when Reagan took
> >>>>>>>>>>> office.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> When Reagan took office he was just another former B movie
> >>>>>>>>>> actor, and not a very good one at that. Not that the Iranians
> >>>>>>>>>> would have known or cared. The mythology came later.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Truth is, he was just another dufus like Wubya, only much
> >>>>>>>>>> luckier.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Actually, I don't think that's fair. I think one of the key
> >>>>>>>>> differences between Reagan and G.W. Bush is that Reagan wasn't
> >>>>>>>>> as easily led around.  He might not have had the education
> >>>>>>>>> that Bush had, but he had a more forceful personality, whereas
> >>>>>>>>> Bush, Jr.  was more a "go along" kind of guy.
>
> >>>>>>>> Please read:
>
> >>>>>>>>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967389,00.html
>
> >>>>>>> That supports my point.
>
> >>>>>> How do you figure that? His wife had enormous influence on him
> >>>>>> based on the advice of... wait for it... an astrologer.
>
> >>>>> 1. A wife is a life long companion and thus is *always* going to
> >>>>> have an enormous influence on her husband, if she chooses to avail
> >>>>> herself of it.
>
> >>>>> 2. He chose to listen to her rather than go along with his staff.
>
> >>>> So? What difference does it make? He allowed his schedule to be set
> >>>> based upon the ramblings of his wife's astrologer. That's a dufus
> >>>> maneuver if there ever was one.
>
> >>> The difference is that his schedule is just not that important.
> >>> *When* he did what he did is not nearly as important as *what* he
> >>> did.
>
> >>> If it made his wife happy, then what harm was there in it?
>
> >>> The point it supports is that he wasn't being led around by the nose
> >>> by people like Cheney and Rumsfeld.
>
> >> Let me make sure I understand: The President of the United States
> >> allowed an *astrologer* to set his schedule for him, and think it's
> >> somehow better than Wubya getting led around by his (non-astrologer)
> >> advisors. Why? I don't get it. They're both dufuses.
>
> > No. A husband humored his wife.
>
> > He realized that in the grand scheme of things it didn't matter, and
> > it made his wife happy.
>
> Ronald Reagan insisted last week that at no time did astrology
> determine policy. Strictly speaking, that appears to be so. But Regan
> and others make a compelling case that in 1986 and 1987 astrological
> influence dramatically reduced the presidency's effectiveness, at least
> partly, by keeping Ronald Reagan under wraps for much of the time.
> Nancy's intrusions in the scheduling process, Regan said in an interview
> with TIME last week, "began to interfere with the normal conduct of the
> presidency."
>
> I am honestly surprised you're defending this. It doesn't bother you
> that such an obviously superstitious, pliable person had his finger on
> the button?

I think it was Alzheimer's, not astrology, that kept him under wraps
in his second term.
From: John B. on
On Jul 31, 1:57 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4c53857f$0$4838$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
>
>
> > Ronald Reagan insisted last week that at no time did astrology
> > determine policy.
>
> RR is dead.  :)
>
> Strictly speaking, that appears to be so. But Regan
>
> > and others make a compelling case that in 1986 and 1987 astrological
> > influence dramatically reduced the presidency's effectiveness, at least
> > partly, by keeping Ronald Reagan under wraps for much of the time.
> > Nancy's intrusions in the scheduling process, Regan said in an interview
> > with TIME last week, "began to interfere with the normal conduct of the
> > presidency."
>
> I read Regan's book.  He had a chip on his shoulder from being canned as the
> COS.
>
> Regardless, fancy Nancy was a very difficult person.  At a Coast Guard
> function, I heard a speaker who had served on Air Force 1 from Kennedy to
> Clinton.  All the first ladies were gracious, sans one.  Guess who??
>
> > I am honestly surprised you're defending this. It doesn't bother you
> > that such an obviously superstitious, pliable person had his finger on
> > the button?
>
> Overstatement.
>
> -Greg

Nancy Reagan refused to curtsy to Queen Elizabeth during a visit to
London, because she considered herself the Queen's equal.
From: Carbon on
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:11:22 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <wclark2-48697E.13012701082010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
>> In article <MPG.26bf30409b5cfafb98a175(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR
>> <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <alangbaker-6FE270.23073531072010(a)news.shawcable.com>,
>>> alangbaker(a)telus.net says...
>>>>
>>>>> So you are telling us that atheistic evolution isn't faith based?
>>>>
>>>> Answer me one question, Greg:
>>>>
>>>> How many years old do personally believe the earth is?
>>>
>>> Research says it is some 4 to 10 billion years old.
>>
>> Ah, in other words scientific evidence says so. Not 6,000 years, no
>> dinosaurs with saddles on?
>
> You, Carbon and Baker are laughable each and every time you bring this
> up. You are under the misguided impression that anyone who is in
> disagreement with you is a fundie or some religious nut.

Not necessarily. If you had any idea what the scientific method was you
probably wouldn't jump to conclusions quite as much.
From: John B. on
On Jul 31, 1:57 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4c53857f$0$4838$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
>
>
> > Ronald Reagan insisted last week that at no time did astrology
> > determine policy.
>
> RR is dead.  :)
>
> Strictly speaking, that appears to be so. But Regan
>
> > and others make a compelling case that in 1986 and 1987 astrological
> > influence dramatically reduced the presidency's effectiveness, at least
> > partly, by keeping Ronald Reagan under wraps for much of the time.
> > Nancy's intrusions in the scheduling process, Regan said in an interview
> > with TIME last week, "began to interfere with the normal conduct of the
> > presidency."
>
> I read Regan's book.  He had a chip on his shoulder from being canned as the
> COS.
>
> Regardless, fancy Nancy was a very difficult person.  At a Coast Guard
> function, I heard a speaker who had served on Air Force 1 from Kennedy to
> Clinton.  All the first ladies were gracious, sans one.  Guess who??
>
> > I am honestly surprised you're defending this. It doesn't bother you
> > that such an obviously superstitious, pliable person had his finger on
> > the button?
>
> Overstatement.
>
> -Greg

Regan had a chip on his shoulder, period. The guy was a mean-spirited
prick before, during and after his service as COS.
From: John B. on
On Jul 31, 1:43 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <wclark2-5C18F7.12513931072...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <4c536b4e$0$4970$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >  Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:37:55 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:alangbaker-C06CE9.13143130072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > >> In article <8bgpttFmc...(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW"
> > > >> <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > > >>> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > >>>news:alangbaker-EDCC5B.13025030072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>
> > > >>>> The full video is 43 minutes long.
>
> > > >>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXk>
>
> > > >>>> Don't you think a real journalist would have reviewed that before
> > > >>>> putting up cherry-picked sections of it and passing judgement?
>
> > > >>> What makes you think he didn't have the whole video?
>
> > > >> If he did, that makes his actions even worse, because it has been
> > > >> pretty much universally agreed that anyone who has seen the whole
> > > >> video could never have made the claims of racism that Breitbart made.
>
> > > >> You're really digging yourself a hole here, Mike, and for what?
>
> > > > I not digging anything. Breitbart is attempting to show racism at the
> > > > NAACP, not specifically to Sherrod. Whether you think he does or does
> > > > not accomplish this is debatable.
>
> > > He was attempting to smear the NAACP, not "show racism." Look at his
> > > deliberately misleading excerpt. Then look at the full video. Unless
> > > you're totally demented you'll be able to see what he did.
>
> > I think you've hit the nail on the head with the "demented" bit :-)
>
> By definition the NAACP is a racist organization.

That may be the dumbest thing you've ever said, but given the wealth
of choices, it's really hard to say.
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