From: William Clark on
In article <8bormkFd8lU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:18ae96af-e4b9-4bd3-838d-6b74c67da875(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 2, 3:00 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:alangbaker-FD89BC.11301202082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <8bofofF3j...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> >
> > > > How little faith you have in scientists. If it were happening, it
> would
> > be
> > > > observed.
> >
> > > Sounds like you're the one who has faith.
> >
> > I think there are sincere scientists out there who would love to observe
> > this.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > 2. More importantly, new life would be very undeveloped to compete
> > > > > against life that has been evolving for billions of eyes.
> >
> > > > Think in terms of logic. The ancient collision of matter creates a
> > spark of
> > > > life, according to evolutionists.. Don't you think that enviroment is
> > more
> > > > hostile than the one that exists on earth?
> >
> > > Not to new life, no.
> >
> > > Scientists have already demonstrated that the chemicals of life arise
> > > spontaneously from the elements and compounds that existed on the early
> > > earth.
> >
> > Cite.
> >
> > > Now the first very simple "lifeform" comes together: what other life is
> > > it competing with?
> >
> > > If such a simple lifeform came into being today, it would be in a
> > > environment of thousands and thousands of other microscopic life who
> > > would be able to feed on it.
> >
> > Fine. Then all scientists have to do is "create" the enviroment that this
> > life comes from nothing, and then make it sterile from outside predators,
> > then observe whether this "life" eats and reproduces.
> >
> > Trouble is....no life has ever been created in a lab or on earth. Cite
> > where it has.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> No life has ever been created on earth? What does that mean?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Not since the beginning. Reproduction...yes. But organic life resulting
> from the right mix of matter....no.
>
> -Greg

You haven't read much about the Big Bang you are so fond of referring
to, have you? It originates from a universe that is infinitely dense and
infinitely hot - conditions that no one can reproduce on earth today.
Except, probably, your favorite old man with the long white beard.
From: Moderate on
William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:
> In article <MPG.26c113b367f2394c98a1aa(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <clark-745AEB.09212902082010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
>> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>>>>> Indeed, "the people" pay to have roads built. A communal,
> > > > > socialistic,
>>>>> decision (developers don;t build interstates, must as you would
> > > > > wish
>>>>> it). Nice snip of the relevant accusation, though. Saves you
> > > > > another
>>>>> red
>>>>> face.
>>>>
>>>> It sucks when you can't say that the Government builds the roads.
> > > > The
>>>> government is just the middle man handling the money.
>>>
>>> And the "money" is the sole reason roads get built. No tickee, no
>>> shirtee.
>>>
>>
>> Nice job racist Billy. Does OSU know of your racist views.
>
> Good - you have now deflected so far off topic that you clearly have
> surrendered. About time.
>
> OSU would laugh you out of court. It is, of course, run entirely by
> ultra-left communists and pinkos.

That explains alot.
From: John B. on
On Aug 2, 5:35 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:127d62e7-bc2a-4755-9a0e-c5f89d6c9d72(a)o19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 2, 2:23 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:MPG.26bfbd93c85a419c98a197(a)news.giganews.com...
>
> > > In article <5kqb56diek5m92djb6v60r1ilcpl82i...(a)4ax.com>, donsno2
> > > @charter.net says...
>
> > > > On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:58:09 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:56:46 -0400, William Clark
> > > > ><wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>Oh, and it is not necessary to be an atheist to believe in
> evolution.
> > > > >>That's just another creationist crock.
>
> > > > >The big objection isn't in evolution - some evolution was obvious
> long
> > > > >before Darwin.
>
> > > > >The objection is in natural selection, as long as "natural" means
> "not
> > > > >done by God or by Man". And of course, the idea that humans evolved
> > > > >from something else.
>
> > > > It's easier to find physical evidence that mankind (and every other
> > > > living thing) evolved from gobs of protoplasm than it is to find
> > > > evidence that there is a creative mind behind it all. It's in the
> > > > DNA.
>
> > > Where did the DNA come from?
>
> > > I am not a propoent of intelligent design, never have been and never
> > > will be. But, someone is going to have to come up with an explanation of
> > > what caused the Big Bang. Chaos theory can be used to describe DNA
> > > oringination on Earth but, if we start finding DNA in other parts of he
> > > Solar systme, Galaxy or Universe there will have to be some re-Sciencing
> > > going on.
>
> > I think there is a bigger question at hand. Matter, left on it's own,
> > decays from complex to simple. The big question is how matter was formed
> > out of nothing, collided, then sparked life, then became increasingly
> > organized and complex. From where I sit, intelligent design is the only
> > rational answer.
>
> > -Greg
>
> Intelligent design is nothing more than a ruse cooked up by the people
> who had tried and failed get the courts to force the teaching of
> creationism in public schools. It's a joke.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Your opinion.  There are plenty of smart people, including scientists, who
> believe otherwise.
>
> -Greg

I doubt it.
From: John B. on
On Aug 2, 6:31 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:50:18 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:4c5364d2$0$4971$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:40:34 -0400, BAR wrote:
>
> >>> Like Obama you haven't thought it through. What is the difference
> >>> between the persons housed at Gitmo and the criminals you described?
>
> >> Those housed at Gitmo have been tortured, so there is no practical
> >> way to prosecute them.
>
> > All of them?
>
> I would suspect so, but I don't know. I do know there's no practical way
> to prosecute someone who stands up in court and says, "I was
> waterboarded 62 times. Of course I admitted to all kinds of things. You
> would have done the same in my place."


Some of the gitmo prisoners are children. I trust they haven't been
waterboarded.
From: Moderate on
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 6:31 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:50:18 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4c5364d2$0$4971$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:40:34 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>
>>>>> Like Obama you haven't thought it through. What is the difference
>>>>> between the persons housed at Gitmo and the criminals you
> > > > > described?
>>
>>>> Those housed at Gitmo have been tortured, so there is no practical
>>>> way to prosecute them.
>>
>>> All of them?
>>
>> I would suspect so, but I don't know. I do know there's no practical
> > way
>> to prosecute someone who stands up in court and says, "I was
>> waterboarded 62 times. Of course I admitted to all kinds of things.
> > You
>> would have done the same in my place."
>
>
> Some of the gitmo prisoners are children. I trust they haven't been
> waterboarded.

Only three people were waterboarded. The records of their interrogations
has been released.
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