From: Alan Baker on
In article <MPG.26c1c744e21cb27398a1b3(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <wclark2-CF6929.20560102082010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > Not since the beginning. Reproduction...yes. But organic life resulting
> > > from the right mix of matter....no.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> >
> > You haven't read much about the Big Bang you are so fond of referring
> > to, have you? It originates from a universe that is infinitely dense and
> > infinitely hot - conditions that no one can reproduce on earth today.
> > Except, probably, your favorite old man with the long white beard.
> >
> >
>
>
> Where did the infinitely dense and infinitely hot come from?

There are theories.

>
> So far we have gone from the dealership to the manufacturer. Wher did
> the raw materials that the manufacturer use come from?

Where did the manufacturer that the religious insist made everything
come from?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on
In article <8bokj2F2hcU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-BC9BD5.12120402082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>
> > > > Only because when asked the next logical question ("Where did the
> > > > designer come from?"), you cover your ears, shy away, and hide.
> > >
> > > Cite where I ducked this question, liar.
> >
> > See below.
>
> I looked below and above and see no evidence where you addressed this
> question to me. Cite where I ducked this question or remain a liar.
>
> > > He has no beginning or ending is my answer.
> >
> > But for some reason the universe can't be said to do the same thing?
> >
> > > It certainly is more reasonable than something coming from nothing, then
> > > getting organized.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Stars and planets form because gravity pulls them together and then
> > remain organized. You do acknowledge that, right?
>
> And the matter that causes this gravity comes from where?

I don't know, but it isn't important to the point I'm making.

>
> Why shouldn't it be
> > possible for molecules to come together in ways that are analogous?
> > Elements combine to form compounds, some of those compounds are more
> > stable than others, some can for patterns that self-replicate.
>
> Matter self replicating? Cite a specific example.

DNA.

>
> > You know what a catalyst is, don't you? Is it utterly impossible for you
> > to imagine a molecule which is its own catalyst?
>
> Of course I know what a catalyst is, punk! The catalyst in my belief system
> is God. Your's is random chance over the course of billions of years. Your
> religion requires more faith but you are the exception. You are your own
> god and simply do not want the competition. I doubt if you sincerely
> believe in anything. Your game is to nitpick those who do.

No, Greg. God is not a catalyst. We're discussing chemistry and in that
context, "catalyst" has a specific meaning.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-784E90.23281304082010(a)news.shawcable.com...

> I notice you've avoided replying to the post where I gave you a
> reference to a case where E.Coli clearly evolved a new trait.
>
> Funny.

Trolls hate to be ignored.

-Greg


From: Alan Baker on
In article <8bv6vfF9nnU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-784E90.23281304082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>
> > I notice you've avoided replying to the post where I gave you a
> > reference to a case where E.Coli clearly evolved a new trait.
> >
> > Funny.
>
> Trolls hate to be ignored.
>
> -Greg

LOL

I wouldn't know anything about that. What I do know is that lacking any
rebuttal, the man who has posted all over this thread about "intelligent
design" and how evolution couldn't possibly happen went strangely silent.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Moderate on
Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <52413732302494865.903173nospam-nomail.com(a)news.suddenlink.net>,
> Moderate <nospam(a)nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 2, 6:31 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:50:18 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4c5364d2$0$4971$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:40:34 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Like Obama you haven't thought it through. What is the
> > > > > > > difference
>>>>>>> between the persons housed at Gitmo and the criminals you
>>>>>>> described?
>>>>
>>>>>> Those housed at Gitmo have been tortured, so there is no
> > > > > > practical
>>>>>> way to prosecute them.
>>>>
>>>>> All of them?
>>>>
>>>> I would suspect so, but I don't know. I do know there's no
> > > > practical
>>>> way
>>>> to prosecute someone who stands up in court and says, "I was
>>>> waterboarded 62 times. Of course I admitted to all kinds of things.
>>>> You
>>>> would have done the same in my place."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of the gitmo prisoners are children. I trust they haven't been
>>> waterboarded.
>>
>> Only three people were waterboarded. The records of their
> > interrogations
>> has been released.
>
> Again: you're sure, are you?
>
> Because, your government would never conceal the truth from you, would
>
> it?

Nothing goes better with coffee than a good conspiracy theory. Maybe
Obama is involved in the coverup or the Canadians took over the program.
Personally I think Glen Beck runs the water wheel.
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