From: John B. on
On Jul 28, 3:10 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
> "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
> >news:7gp056pl04msap8osu8hrjcrs1st560vuc(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:11:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>"Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:4c4f6e86$0$4825$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:58:33 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:26:34 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>> And YOU actually SUPPORT keeping Gitmo open!
>
> >>>>>> Apparently so does Obama.
>
> >>>>> Yep.   The new boss is the same as the old one.
>
> >>>> I personally think he would close it if he thought he could.
>
> >>>He could do it tomorrow via executive order.
>
> >> He already issued an executive order to close Gitmo.  Where've you
> >> been?
>
> > I know he has. The first one must have been lost in the mail.
>
> >>>The problem
> >>>> is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy combatants to
> >>>> justice because they have all been tortured. As with the quagmire in
> >>>> the
> >>>> Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions of the previous
> >>>> administration.
>
> >>>Tortured, lol! They probably have it better in Gitmo than where they came
> >>>from.
>
> >> Yeah, waterboarding is a great recreational pastime.  You've had it
> >> done to you , right???
>
> > I think you have Abu Ghraib and Gitmo confused.
>
> I think Abu Ghraib was where they were walking the prisoners like a dog and
> Gitmo was where they were waterboarding.

I think you're assuming that what you've read and heard in the media
is the totality of what went on at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and other places
where suspected terrorists have been locked up, some of which we don't
even know about.
From: bknight on
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 28, 3:10�pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>> "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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>> I think Abu Ghraib was where they were walking the prisoners like a dog and
>> Gitmo was where they were waterboarding.
>
>I think you're assuming that what you've read and heard in the media
>is the totality of what went on at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and other places
>where suspected terrorists have been locked up, some of which we don't
>even know about.

I have to ask you why you jump to a conclusion that Frank jumped to a
conclusion. He didn't make any assumptions as to the amount of
punishment given at either place, just his opinions of where two of
the situations happened.

BK
From: MNMikeW on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-34704C.11163928072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article <8bb9kdFjh6U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
>> news:7gp056pl04msap8osu8hrjcrs1st560vuc(a)4ax.com...
>> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:11:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:4c4f6e86$0$4825$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> >>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:58:33 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:26:34 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> And YOU actually SUPPORT keeping Gitmo open!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Apparently so does Obama.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yep. The new boss is the same as the old one.
>> >>>
>> >>> I personally think he would close it if he thought he could.
>> >>
>> >>He could do it tomorrow via executive order.
>> >
>> > He already issued an executive order to close Gitmo. Where've you
>> > been?
>>
>> I know he has. The first one must have been lost in the mail.
>> >>
>> >>The problem
>> >>> is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy combatants
>> >>> to
>> >>> justice because they have all been tortured. As with the quagmire in
>> >>> the
>> >>> Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions of the previous
>> >>> administration.
>> >>
>> >>Tortured, lol! They probably have it better in Gitmo than where they
>> >>came
>> >>from.
>> >
>> > Yeah, waterboarding is a great recreational pastime. You've had it
>> > done to you , right???
>> >
>> I think you have Abu Ghraib and Gitmo confused.
>
> You know for a fact everything that has been done at Gitmo, do you?
>
Ah yes the typical liberal guilty until proved innocent theme. Of course you
have proof this was going on there right?


From: MNMikeW on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-5B21CE.11501528072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article <s5u056paamu17k2aa71hvuvev0ko6goull(a)4ax.com>,
> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:01:45 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
>> >news:7gp056pl04msap8osu8hrjcrs1st560vuc(a)4ax.com...
>> >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:11:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>The problem
>> >>>> is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy combatants
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> justice because they have all been tortured. As with the quagmire in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions of the previous
>> >>>> administration.
>> >>>
>> >>>Tortured, lol! They probably have it better in Gitmo than where they
>> >>>came
>> >>>from.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, waterboarding is a great recreational pastime. You've had it
>> >> done to you , right???
>> >>
>> >I think you have Abu Ghraib and Gitmo confused.
>> >
>> I think you're way off. Gitmo was THE waterboarding site. Remember
>> the guy that was waterboarded over 180 times? That was Gitmo.
>>
>> BK
>
> Just to emphasize:
>
> "A Department of Justice memo that detailed interrogation techniques
> used on prisoners at Guantanamo Bay notes that in August 2002, suspected
> al-Qaeda official Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 82 times, while the
> following March, 9/11 suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded
> 183 times. But as the blog Emptywheel points out, there's no way to get
> to those numbers within the CIA's guidelines."
>
> <http://www.newser.com/story/56588/cia-waterboarded-gitmo-detainee-183-ti
> mes-in-a-month.html>
>
How bad can it be if u take it 6 times a day.


From: MNMikeW on

"Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote in message
news:a8%3o.42442$dx7.2408(a)newsfe21.iad...
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> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> news:8bb9kdFjh6U1(a)mid.individual.net...
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>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
>> news:7gp056pl04msap8osu8hrjcrs1st560vuc(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:11:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4c4f6e86$0$4825$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:58:33 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:26:34 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And YOU actually SUPPORT keeping Gitmo open!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently so does Obama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. The new boss is the same as the old one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally think he would close it if he thought he could.
>>>>
>>>>He could do it tomorrow via executive order.
>>>
>>> He already issued an executive order to close Gitmo. Where've you
>>> been?
>>
>> I know he has. The first one must have been lost in the mail.
>>>>
>>>>The problem
>>>>> is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy combatants to
>>>>> justice because they have all been tortured. As with the quagmire in
>>>>> the
>>>>> Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions of the previous
>>>>> administration.
>>>>
>>>>Tortured, lol! They probably have it better in Gitmo than where they
>>>>came
>>>>from.
>>>
>>> Yeah, waterboarding is a great recreational pastime. You've had it
>>> done to you , right???
>>>
>> I think you have Abu Ghraib and Gitmo confused.
>
> I think Abu Ghraib was where they were walking the prisoners like a dog
> and Gitmo was where they were waterboarding.
>
Yes. Appears I was the confused one.


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