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From: MNMikeW on 28 Jul 2010 18:02 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:b0621177-c273-48af-9d61-497134922dcd(a)f42g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... On Jul 28, 1:11 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4c4f6e86$0$4825$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:58:33 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:26:34 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> > >> wrote: > > >>>> And YOU actually SUPPORT keeping Gitmo open! > > >>> Apparently so does Obama. > > >> Yep. The new boss is the same as the old one. > > > I personally think he would close it if he thought he could. > > He could do it tomorrow via executive order. > > The problem > > > is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy combatants to > > justice because they have all been tortured. As with the quagmire in the > > Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions of the previous > > administration. > > Tortured, lol! They probably have it better in Gitmo than where they came > from. You don't think anybody there has been tortured? ========================================= Yes. They probably are forced to watch the View.
From: Frank Ketchum on 28 Jul 2010 18:30 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:kf5156dom8evh76aa517joiuaso51i73j1(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>On Jul 28, 3:10 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: >>> "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote in message > <clip> >>> >>> I think Abu Ghraib was where they were walking the prisoners like a dog >>> and >>> Gitmo was where they were waterboarding. >> >>I think you're assuming that what you've read and heard in the media >>is the totality of what went on at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and other places >>where suspected terrorists have been locked up, some of which we don't >>even know about. > > I have to ask you why you jump to a conclusion that Frank jumped to a > conclusion. He didn't make any assumptions as to the amount of > punishment given at either place, just his opinions of where two of > the situations happened. His panties are in a knot because he realizes how foolish he has come off in this thread.
From: William Clark on 28 Jul 2010 19:42 In article <8bbnerF87lU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-5B21CE.11501528072010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <s5u056paamu17k2aa71hvuvev0ko6goull(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:01:45 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >> >news:7gp056pl04msap8osu8hrjcrs1st560vuc(a)4ax.com... > >> >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:11:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>>The problem > >> >>>> is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy combatants > >> >>>> to > >> >>>> justice because they have all been tortured. As with the quagmire in > >> >>>> the > >> >>>> Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions of the previous > >> >>>> administration. > >> >>> > >> >>>Tortured, lol! They probably have it better in Gitmo than where they > >> >>>came > >> >>>from. > >> >> > >> >> Yeah, waterboarding is a great recreational pastime. You've had it > >> >> done to you , right??? > >> >> > >> >I think you have Abu Ghraib and Gitmo confused. > >> > > >> I think you're way off. Gitmo was THE waterboarding site. Remember > >> the guy that was waterboarded over 180 times? That was Gitmo. > >> > >> BK > > > > Just to emphasize: > > > > "A Department of Justice memo that detailed interrogation techniques > > used on prisoners at Guantanamo Bay notes that in August 2002, suspected > > al-Qaeda official Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 82 times, while the > > following March, 9/11 suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded > > 183 times. But as the blog Emptywheel points out, there's no way to get > > to those numbers within the CIA's guidelines." > > > > <http://www.newser.com/story/56588/cia-waterboarded-gitmo-detainee-183-ti > > mes-in-a-month.html> > > > How bad can it be if u take it 6 times a day. Why don't you volunteer to be a guinea pig and try it?
From: Carbon on 28 Jul 2010 20:59 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:57:34 -0400, Frank Ketchum wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4c4fa03f$0$4964$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:58:48 -0500, bknight wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:37:56 -0600, Howard Brazee >>> <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >>>> On 27 Jul 2010 23:40:54 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yep. The new boss is the same as the old one. >>>>> >>>>> I personally think he would close it if he thought he could. The >>>>> problem is there's no practical way to bring the so-called enemy >>>>> combatants to justice because they have all been tortured. As with >>>>> the quagmire in the Middle East, he's stuck with the bad decisions >>>>> of the previous administration. >>>> >>>> Also, terrorists don't have an authority that we can get to >>>> surrender who will get them to surrender. It's like the "war on >>>> drugs". >>> >>> But yet you blame Obama for not closing Gitmo. That was his first >>> executive order, remember? >> >> Personally, I don't hold it against him. I think once he was briefed >> on what was really going on he saw how difficult it would be to do. > > Most likely true. It seems that governing is different from > campaigning. Very much so.
From: Carbon on 28 Jul 2010 21:10
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:54:59 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-34704C.11163928072010(a)news.shawcable.com... >> In article <8bb9kdFjh6U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" >> <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>> news:7gp056pl04msap8osu8hrjcrs1st560vuc(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:11:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> The problem is there's no practical way to bring the so-called >>>>>> enemy combatants to justice because they have all been tortured. >>>>>> As with the quagmire in the Middle East, he's stuck with the bad >>>>>> decisions of the previous administration. >>>>> >>>>> Tortured, lol! They probably have it better in Gitmo than where >>>>> they came from. >>>> >>>> Yeah, waterboarding is a great recreational pastime. You've had it >>>> done to you , right??? >>> >>> I think you have Abu Ghraib and Gitmo confused. >> >> You know for a fact everything that has been done at Gitmo, do you? >> > Ah yes the typical liberal guilty until proved innocent theme. Of > course you have proof this was going on there right? Mike. Why do you think the Bush regime set these prisons up in the first place? They're scattered all over the place outside of American jurisdiction? Hmmm? Are you so naive as to think Abu Ghraib is the only place the US has tortured? The phase "extraordinary rendition" isn't ringing a bell for you at all? Hmmm... |