From: Pat Williams on
Roberto D V wrote:
> A I mistaken? I s this UK sport.golf? I seem to be seeing
> EUROPE.sport.golf posts here.......


Roberto,

I don't believe that it matters who answers and from where. If people of all
countries want to talk about golf then from my point of view they are very
welcome. I would say that the only points that matter is that they write in the
English Language and don't use foul language.

JPW
From: Paul Schmitz-Josten on
The LHC in <45df0d54$0$28981$da0feed9(a)news.zen.co.uk>:

>>>So from that point of view
>>>the German system is understandable.
>
>> Thank you for your understanding. Now you got my point:
>> A foreign system is not ridiculous only because it's different ;->
>
>No, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be improved upon; I'd suggest, after
>your beginners have had their ten lessons and test with the pro (or whoever
>it is), it wouldn't be too difficult to ask them go out with another
>member, play one round of medal and then take a rough handicap from that,
>at least that way they'd get an initial handicap more indicative of how
>they actually play.

That sounds good - please send your proposal to the German Golf Association
DGV at info(a)dgv.golf.de

Ciao,

Paul
From: Paul Schmitz-Josten on
Pat Williams in <45deb406$1_4(a)mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>:

>>> Have you forgotten the purpose of handicapping?
>>> The purpose is to create To position where EVERYONE has an equal chance of
>>> winning
>>
>> I take this as your personal opinion - I don't think that _that_ is the
>> basic purpose of handicaps. Perhaps you can give us an official quote?
>
>Paul,
>
>Will these help?
>
>The first is the very first sentence of the USGA handicapping site.
>
>1. The USGA Handicap System� enables golfers of all skill levels to compete on
>an equitable basis

This is quite close to Crispin's statement - I regret that I didn't inform
myself better.

The Germans have slightly different objectives though basing their system
on the �EGA Handicap System�:

(translating the gist of chapter 1.2 of the German handicap system)
******
Objectives:
- expand the number of players with HCP 36 or better,
- achieve a large extent of comparability and parity,
- (allow EDS scores)
- (use Stableford)
- (apply a system of courserating and slope for the courses)
- achieve a maximum of simplicity for players and officials.
******

I considered the second one, "a large extent of comparability and parity",
when asking Crispin for a quote featuring his statement.

To me, this is another example that things may be different abroad without
a distinction between "better" or "worse", the only difference being that
now I got caught in the trap.

Ciao,

Paul
From: mike short on
Pat Williams wrote:
> Roberto D V wrote:
>> A I mistaken? I s this UK sport.golf? I seem to be seeing
>> EUROPE.sport.golf posts here.......
>
>
> Roberto,
>
> I don't believe that it matters who answers and from where. If people of
> all countries want to talk about golf then from my point of view they
> are very welcome.

I would say that the only points that matter is that
> they write in the English Language .
>
> JPW

Inadvertently JPW I think you characterise the British view of Europe
and being european very well. We are happy to be part of europe as long
as they all speak English.

Good thing about the writing in the English language rule JPW - stops
the yanks posting here.

I missed the earlier post - was it from my hero Roberto de Vicenzo the
great Argentinian who won our Open and blew the Masters?

From: Pat Williams on
mike short wrote:
> Pat Williams wrote:
>> Roberto D V wrote:
>>> A I mistaken? I s this UK sport.golf? I seem to be seeing
>>> EUROPE.sport.golf posts here.......
>>
>>
>> Roberto,
>>
>> I don't believe that it matters who answers and from where. If people
>> of all countries want to talk about golf then from my point of view
>> they are very welcome.
>
> I would say that the only points that matter is that
>> they write in the English Language .
>>
>> JPW
>
> Inadvertently JPW I think you characterise the British view of Europe
> and being european very well. We are happy to be part of europe as long
> as they all speak English.

Don't quite follow your post, Michael. It would be of little use for a
Latvian golfer to post here in his native tongue as no one else would understand
him.
Not true my self-characterisation as the archetypal Englishman (even
inadvertently) for I speak one European language fluently, one quite passably
and one reasonably. (...and having spent 26 years in the Navy I speak foul
language fluently when inclined but would never write it)
>
> Good thing about the writing in the English language rule JPW - stops
> the yanks posting here.

I'll let the Yanks answer that one. Over to Peter! He will lose the majority in
the use of English language, if he chooses to answer.


> I missed the earlier post - was it from my hero Roberto de Vicenzo the
> great Argentinian who won our Open and blew the Masters?

Never strictly "blew the Masters". He blew away what would have been a tie with
Bob Goalby at the Masters. The error by Tommy Aaron and himself cost him a
stroke and a play off place. Had there been a tie either could have won.

JPW