From: Howard Brazee on 15 Feb 2007 10:58
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:59:07 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate(a)borg.org>
>Stableford with handicaps is the Chicago or quota method.
>Your course handicap is multiplied by 2 then that is your quota (as a ten I
>would get 20pts). Points are distributed as follows:
>double or worse: 0
>double eagle 16
>The player with the most points relative to his quota wins!
My club does this every year (point count can be different). But the
quota really is meaningless - some flights the winner made his quota,
some flights the winner didn't.
The real difference between Chicago Quota and Modified Stableford is
what score you pick up your ball. Double bogey on a hole is the
same for everybody.
The fun difference which we should ignore is seeing at what hole we
reach our quota.
From: The LHC on 15 Feb 2007 14:30
Paul Schmitz-Josten <alossola(a)web.de> wrote in
> Howard Brazee in <vbj6t2dlln2qj2qcukmkm5v7j71dtaqs38(a)4ax.com>:
>>>>I once read of a score of 57 points somewhere in France which I
>>>>thought was outrageous but I subsequently discovered that the chap
>>>>was playing from a 54 handicap.
>>Many organizations cap how high a handicap can be.
> My bet: All of them do. The German golf federation caps at 54, and I
> don't know of any higher, unlimited handicap. ;->
Which is ridiculous, if you'll pardon me for saying so, I don't know of any
UK club that allows a handicap of more than 28 for men or 36 for women. At
my club the only people we allow to have handicaps as high as 54 is the
juniors. Once they get to 28 they're allowed to enter the "adults"
It still causes problems, once a year, at Christmas we have an Adult-Junior
Greensomes competition (an adult partners a junior obviously), this year it
was won with a score of 54, the reason being the junoir had a handicap of
54 but hadn't been a member long enough to get cut (the juniors are cut on
a regular time basis, ie every month or whatever, rather than on how well
they play each time they enter a comp) but they hadn't done the cuts when
the comp was played, so they handed the kid his prize and then cut him by
14 shots! That caused a few grumbles and they've now agreed that next year
they'll do the cuts BEFORE the competition!
I was partner by a great little kid, 9 years old, all of about 2 foot tall,
with a big mop of brown hair and a big cubby face, my first thought when I
was introduced was, "I'm playing golf with an Ewok!". He was a great little
player but being so small couldn't hit anything more than about 120 yards,
unfortunately he was playing off 29, which meant he had to play off the
yellows, any junior on 30 or more played off the ladies tees. Unfortunately
that meant that he couldn't even reach most of the fairways, which meant if
I didn't hit a good tee-shot we had no fall back option, that REALLY put
the pressure on me! Fabulous putter though, no fear whatsoever, anything
inside 15 foot he fully expected to hole, and did hole more than he missed
which really allowed me to relax on and around the greens.
Slightly unrealistic in his expectations of me though, he'd say things like
"If you hole this shot we'll get 4 points!", "kid, we're 180 yards from the
From: Paul Schmitz-Josten on 15 Feb 2007 17:31
The LHC in <Lx2Bh.331331$MO2.34038(a)fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
(The German golf federation caps at 54)
>Which is ridiculous, if you'll pardon me for saying so,
Is it "ridiculous" just because you aren't used to it?
Then, it's also "ridiculous" to have a general speed limit or not to have
> I don't know of any
>UK club that allows a handicap of more than 28 for men or 36 for women.
In my eyes it's just a different habit, resulting from different historical
and environmental conditions. Some of them are the different number of
golfers and the different number of golf courses.
<interesting story snipped>
Paul, signing off for a week of golf in Morocco.
From: The LHC on 15 Feb 2007 18:10
Paul Schmitz-Josten <alossola(a)web.de> wrote in
> The LHC in <Lx2Bh.331331$MO2.34038(a)fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> (The German golf federation caps at 54)
>>Which is ridiculous, if you'll pardon me for saying so,
> Is it "ridiculous" just because you aren't used to it?
It's ridiculous because anyone needing 54 shots doesn't yet have the basics
down solid enough to be playing on a golf course. If you're that bad that
you need 3 shots per hole then you should stick to the practice range until
you can hit the ball better. Obviously things are slightly different for
juniors because at younger ages their range is so much more limited, rather
than their swings being poor.
> Then, it's also "ridiculous" to have a general speed limit or not to
> have one.
Your metaphor is wrong, you should be thinking of it in terms of needing to
pass a test before you can legally drive. It's like comparing the UK's
driving test, which is pretty tough, to some of the American states, where
you just need to drive around a car park without hitting the cones to get
your license. IMO that isn't good enough to allow you to drive a car on the
road and in the same way a handicap of 54 isn't good enough to allow
someone on a golf course.
> In my eyes it's just a different habit, resulting from different
> historical and environmental conditions. Some of them are the
> different number of golfers and the different number of golf courses.
In my eyes it just allows someone who's never held a club to go straight
out onto a course getting in the way when they don't know the first thing
about the game.
From: david s-a on 16 Feb 2007 00:49
Ron Todd wrote:
> Sister of sister-in-law, .....
Ummm....isn't a 'sister of sister-in-law' still a 'sister-in-law'?