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From: William Clark on 30 Sep 2008 20:50 In article <alangbaker-ACD571.17320530092008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article > <77f26c93-e34d-4c2c-b612-2d092b1c2b72(a)l76g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > The_Professor <dbid(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Sep 30, 4:10�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > In article <vh15e4lngo3ivro344f7oq4u6reea7o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > �Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:13:31 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Didn't the Canadian legislature recently pass a resolution defining > > > > >> Quebec as an independent nation within Canada, or something to that > > > > >> effect. �That doesn't sound like it's quite over to me. > > > > > > > >Actually, that's pretty much what ended it. > > > > > > > So the separatists basically won. > > > > > > No. They're happy being recognized for their uniqueness and we in > > > English Canada are happy to recognize that they are unique. > > > > > > Everybody won. Not a concept you're likely to understand, but... > > > > > > > You speak only for yourself, of course. A lot of us are long tired of > > pandering to the Quebecois's need to feel 'unique"...not to mention > > special trade deals to prop up the Quebec economy. Fact is, Canada has > > no real need of Quebec, and if they don't want to be plain ole > > ordinary Canadians like the rest of us, they should leave. Now I admit > > I speak for myself, and reflect the views of the dozens (at least) of > > others I have discussed this with. I personally don't know anyone who > > doesn't see this thing this way, no wait, I know one person, from > > Montreal. He thinks he is unique, and thinks it's important that > > others also see him as unique. > > > > Baker watches the Canadian TV news media. If CBC stepped up a notch it > > would be at the Mr. Rogers level. OIf Global News stepped up a notch, > > it would be at the Sesame Street level. I suspect Baker is a big fan > > of Global News. > > Actually, I almost never watch television news. > > You're pretty much a dog in the manger type, aren't you? > > Quebec is unique, that's pretty obvious. Whether you like how it got > that way -- whether the English should simply have obliterated their > culture after winning the war (I'm sure you wish they had) -- Quebec is > a french-speaking entity within a larger entity that is otherwise pretty > much english-speaking. That is unique whether you like it or not. > > The fact that you can't share in that uniqueness makes you want to take > theirs away... ...and that's just sad. He lives in Mississippi, and he is lecturing YOU on the quality of Canadian TV news. He has clearly been out of Canada for too long.
From: Jack Hollis on 2 Oct 2008 18:16 On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:10:43 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> So the separatists basically won. > >No. They're happy being recognized for their uniqueness and we in >English Canada are happy to recognize that they are unique. > >Everybody won. Not a concept you're likely to understand, but... So what was all the fuss about?
From: Jack Hollis on 2 Oct 2008 21:33 On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:45:08 -0700 (PDT), The_Professor <dbid(a)att.net> wrote: >You speak only for yourself, of course. A lot of us are long tired of >pandering to the Quebecois's need to feel 'unique"...not to mention >special trade deals to prop up the Quebec economy. Fact is, Canada has >no real need of Quebec, and if they don't want to be plain ole >ordinary Canadians like the rest of us, they should leave. I could never understand why the English Canadians were so keen to keep hold of Quebec. In English Canada there is an almost obsessive desire to include French as much as possible. In Quebec the obsession is to stamp out English. If the French don't want to be part of Canada, let them go. Of course, the Maritime and Atlantic Provinces would be left in a bit of a lurch. Perhaps they'd be better off joining the US.
From: Jack Hollis on 2 Oct 2008 21:40 On 01 Oct 2008 00:28:09 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> I'm sorry, being in English Canada is not like being in a foreign >> country. > >It is a foreign country. English as well as French. Differences exist, >even if you can't see them. I don't know exactly what you mean. I've traveled all over the world and lived abroad for almost 4 years. I know what it's like to be in a foreign country and English Canada doesn't seem like a foreign country to me.
From: The Professor on 2 Oct 2008 23:30
Jack Hollis wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:45:08 -0700 (PDT), The_Professor <dbid(a)att.net> > wrote: > > >You speak only for yourself, of course. A lot of us are long tired of > >pandering to the Quebecois's need to feel 'unique"...not to mention > >special trade deals to prop up the Quebec economy. Fact is, Canada has > >no real need of Quebec, and if they don't want to be plain ole > >ordinary Canadians like the rest of us, they should leave. > > I could never understand why the English Canadians were so keen to > keep hold of Quebec. > > In English Canada there is an almost obsessive desire to include > French as much as possible. In Quebec the obsession is to stamp out > English. > > If the French don't want to be part of Canada, let them go. Of > course, the Maritime and Atlantic Provinces would be left in a bit of > a lurch. Perhaps they'd be better off joining the US. The politicians pander to Quebec becasue of the number of seats they have in the federal parliament. WIin Quebec and southern Ontario and you form the government. The rest of the country is irrelevant. |