From: Ron Todd on
On 13 Oct, 14:48, "John Turner" <johngtur...(a)cabletv.on.ca> wrote:
> "Dave Robinson" <dhr1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>

> > PS - I know this will infuriate some people, but we also play an
> > individual stableford contest amongst ourselves for a couple of quid. I
> > know that one shouldn't mix and match strokeplay and matchplay formats, as
> > the rules apply differently to the two formats, but as I said, it is all
> > just a friendly Sunday 4-ball amongst friends. Naturally I didn't score on
> > that hole which maybe cost me the stableford result too - but that was all
> > laughed off in the bar afterwards.

> In your infuriating singles Stableford contest, which is only infuriating if
> it is not match play. I shall assume from your comment that it was not match
> play.

From memory, the only mention of Stableford in the rules defines it
(although not in the definitions) as a form of stroke play. Has that
changed, or has my memory leaked?
From: John Turner on

"Ron Todd" <sugnaboris(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:95b64ab2-2c16-4bc0-8293-75774c0346d4(a)u46g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 13 Oct, 14:48, "John Turner" <johngtur...(a)cabletv.on.ca> wrote:
>> "Dave Robinson" <dhr1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>
>> > PS - I know this will infuriate some people, but we also play an
>> > individual stableford contest amongst ourselves for a couple of quid. I
>> > know that one shouldn't mix and match strokeplay and matchplay formats,
>> > as
>> > the rules apply differently to the two formats, but as I said, it is
>> > all
>> > just a friendly Sunday 4-ball amongst friends. Naturally I didn't score
>> > on
>> > that hole which maybe cost me the stableford result too - but that was
>> > all
>> > laughed off in the bar afterwards.
>
>> In your infuriating singles Stableford contest, which is only infuriating
>> if
>> it is not match play. I shall assume from your comment that it was not
>> match
>> play.
>
> From memory, the only mention of Stableford in the rules defines it
> (although not in the definitions) as a form of stroke play. Has that
> changed, or has my memory leaked?

Ron Todd forget a Rules question. Never. Not the Ron Todd that I know. Yes,
both Bogey Par and Stableford are defined in Rule 32 as a form of stroke
play.


From: david s-a on
Dave Robinson wrote:

> I was under the impression that had time allowed (and I felt so inclined), I
> could have gone back to play my shot from where my opponent had incorrectly
> played my ball.

Dave, notwithstanding all the other excellent advice being posted here,
I feel moved to add a little trivia.

In almost every 'Rules' situation I have been involved in where a
player's ball has been played by a fellow competitor no-one seems to
realize that, once the ball is retrieved, the Rules require the OWNER of
the ball to PLACE it on the spot from where it was originally played as
a wrong ball. Everyone instinctively wants to DROP the ball there!
(Which would be correct only if the spot could not be determined). I
have long since learned to keep my eyes open for this.

cheers
david

From: Kenneth on

"david s-a" <dsantwyk(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:6lhuhkFc7ucpU1(a)mid.individual.net...
> Dave Robinson wrote:
>
>> I was under the impression that had time allowed (and I felt so
>> inclined), I could have gone back to play my shot from where my opponent
>> had incorrectly played my ball.
>
> Dave, notwithstanding all the other excellent advice being posted here, I
> feel moved to add a little trivia.
>
> In almost every 'Rules' situation I have been involved in where a player's
> ball has been played by a fellow competitor no-one seems to realize that,
> once the ball is retrieved, the Rules require the OWNER of the ball to
> PLACE it on the spot from where it was originally played as a wrong ball.
> Everyone instinctively wants to DROP the ball there! (Which would be
> correct only if the spot could not be determined). I have long since
> learned to keep my eyes open for this.
>

And if the FC in playing the wrong ball has left an almighty divot hole and
the divot has shattered into a dozen pieces is the owner obliged to play
from the divot hole or can he/she play from a spot as near as possible to,
and like, the original lie?

Kenneth

From: John Turner on

"david s-a" <dsantwyk(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:6lhuhkFc7ucpU1(a)mid.individual.net...
> Dave Robinson wrote:
>
>> I was under the impression that had time allowed (and I felt so
>> inclined), I could have gone back to play my shot from where my opponent
>> had incorrectly played my ball.
>
> Dave, notwithstanding all the other excellent advice being posted here, I
> feel moved to add a little trivia.
>
> In almost every 'Rules' situation I have been involved in where a player's
> ball has been played by a fellow competitor no-one seems to realize that,
> once the ball is retrieved, the Rules require the OWNER of the ball to
> PLACE it on the spot from where it was originally played as a wrong ball.
> Everyone instinctively wants to DROP the ball there! (Which would be
> correct only if the spot could not be determined). I have long since
> learned to keep my eyes open for this.
>
> cheers
> david
>

David,

For accuracy sake, the ball has to be replaced and not placed. If the spot
on which it has to be replaced can be determined, it can be replaced by
either the player, his partner or the person who moved it. If the spot on
which it has to be replaced cannot be accurately determined - RCGA standard
is within a thumbnail - then the ball has to be dropped as near as possible
to where it lay, and when a ball has to be dropped it must be dropped by the
player himself.

In most instances of a ball being played in error by another player, that
player frequently comes back with the ball and makes a great show of placing
the ball exactly where it had been in this absolutely perfect lie, ignoring
any divot that he may have taken. The reality is, it is highly unliklely
that anyone can determine the spot with sufficient accuracy and thus the
player should drop the ball on the estimated spot. You can only really know
the spot on which a ball is to be replaced if you marked the position before
lifting the ball. For example, Decision 20-1/16 makes it clear that it is
not permissible to mark the position with reference to a blemish on the
putting green. Decision 20-3b/4 makes it clear that if the player who played
the ball in error removes a divot, and it is impossible to determine the
exact spot, then and only then would the player have to place the ball in
the nearest most similar lie to that which existed before the shot was
played. If a divot was taken, it is impossible to know the exact spot, only
the approximate spot.



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