From: The_Professor on 20 Sep 2006 10:54
> You were the poster citing inner city youth as a group staying away from
> school without sense of reporting percentage. Do you really think all
> inner city youth stay away from school? 80%? 40%?
> If you can't understand how people will read this as you stereotyping a
> group of people, then I find it hard to believe you are well regarded as
> an instructor.
The issue is *TROUBLED* inner city youth. Most inner city kids are just
trying to get through the day like the rest of us. My comments relate
to the hypocrites who show of their "work" with inner city kids as work
with troubled inner city kids. You are not going to find too many
troubled inner city kids in high schools. If I am a racist for saying
that then so be it.
A telling example is in the news here right now. The current mayor of
Jackson is a classic populist. He drew together a coalition of
liberal/conservative/blacks and whites to defeat a classic democrat
social planner. His main issue was cleaning up the inner city. He has
been out with the police in flak jackets, and conducted numerous raids
that many consider OTT. He has also assumed guardianship for troubled
inner city youth, kids who have been in gangs, and in and out of
detention...ie troubled inner city youth (he has done this for a
while, long before he became mayor). A couple of the kids he assumed
responsibility for have committed serious crimes, and he has been
charged because he is their guardian. He has also been charged with
carrying a firearm where he is not supposed to carry a firearm (he
seems to think that his efforts to break up gangs have put his life in
danger, paranoid as that may sound to some!).
The urban planner types think he is a loose cannon, totally out of
control. Maybe he is, but IMHO, urban planning has only made the
problem worse. Trying some direct intervention might work, it's at
least worth a try. People in Jackson are sick of all the violence,
that's for sure. We have had babies shot by these thugs.
In any event, no way First Tee or Tiger Woods are going to intervene on
the behalf of troubled youth like the current mayor of Jackson. They
look for the kids who are doing really well, and hold them up as poster
people for efforts to serve troubled inner city youth, as if all inner
city youth are "troubled inner city youth", which is a false statement,
IMHO. Neither First Tee nor Tiger Woods seems to have the guts to serve
troubled inner city youth...of course, neither do I, but I'm not making
any false claims about it either. I wonder how much resource these
efforts take from the people who really do serve troubled inner city
From: The_Professor on 20 Sep 2006 11:01
> In article <7fidndcTdtnUp43YnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness(a)all.com> wrote:
> > <marti285(a)umn.edu> wrote ...
> > > In article <svGdnfnoFrUxapPYnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
> > > "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness(a)all.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris,
> > >>
> > >> He lives in Mississippi.
> > >>
> > >> Do you really need to know much more?
> > >>
> > >> Randy
> > >
> > > Posting something like this belittles you, not your target.
> > >
> > > B. Martin
> > Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.
> Yes, Mississippi has a weaker reputation for supporting education. But,
> not everyone currently there was educated there. Many folks originally
> from Mississippi went elsewhere for college and many others from other
> states are employed in the state. Equating living in Mississippi with
> an inferior mind-set or intellectual capabiity says more about your
> limitations than it does about anyone in Mississippi.
> Note that for most of the country, the reputation of Georgia in
> education is little better than Mississippi. Every state education
> system has its defenders and its critics. I currently live in
> Minnesota, which has a stronger reputation than Tennessee where I lived
> just before moving to Minnesota. I am less satisfied with the Minnesota
> schools than Tennessee schools in the development of problem solving
> skills, outside the box thining, and other areas. Many of the states
> with good reputations are bogged down with "teaching to the test" for
> the purpose of scoring high on nationally-normed achievement tests, such
> as the Terra Nova. These reanking data do not prove anything about the
> true quality of the education product.
> B. Martin
I couldn't agree more with you. However, if you look at the schools in
the typical yuppie subdivisions in MS, they perform just as well as
anywhere else. I personally think Jackson Public schools probably get
more bang for the buck than say DC public schools, but that's just an
opinion. I'd like to see the data though. The worst numbers for MS come
from poor, rural, black areas that no one cares about, except people
like Thad Cochran and Bennie Thompson.
This last budget year, the state had to take money out of education to
buy pills for seniors. Say what you will about it, but the seniors
kicked up a big fuss about cuts in subsidies, and the money had to come
from somewhere. They cut the funding for pills because the feds
increased funding, so the net is that seniors, overall, get more money
for pills and middle schools in MS lose arts and music programs.
From: ""R&B"" on 20 Sep 2006 17:55
"Dene" <gdstrue(a)aol.com> wrote
> I'm calling you a liar.
The minute I start caring what you think of me, I'll be sure to let you
From: ""R&B"" on 20 Sep 2006 17:57
"Bert Robbins" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
> Gordo wrote:
>>> Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.
>> I'm having a bit of difficulty finding the ranking of states per
>> education. Can anyone help me with that??
> Mississippi is usually figthing to get to 49th place.
Usually fighting with Georgia, the state in which I live.
However, I didn't get my education here.
From: Dene on 20 Sep 2006 23:18
> "Dene" <gdstrue(a)aol.com> wrote
> > I'm calling you a liar.
> The minute I start caring what you think of me, I'll be sure to let you
Then I'll quote my friend Rob....
"I'll go back to ignoring you, and
suggest you do the same for me."