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From: Bill Seddon on 15 Apr 2008 03:27
Never having done this before I've tried to cobble together some basic
rules of competition. Those who know more about this, ( everyone)
please feel free to alter where needed and we can have a proper set in
place by Sunday!

Bill


Rules of competition

Sunday Aylesford Course

Traditionally, Sunday has been 4-ball match play (see Rule 30 of the Rules
of Golf) which some golfers call 4-ball-better-ball.
The better ball of the two Northern side's balls matched against the
better of the two Southern side's balls.
The lowest net score at a hole wins the hole.

Ladies will receive courtesy shots in accordance with LGU
recommendations based on the relative standard Scratch scores of the red
and yellow tees. These shall be applied before the handicap allowance
is taken.

Stroke allowances shall then be taken according to the mens tee of the
day, I presume to be yellow.
The player of the four with the lowest handicap receives no strokes: the
other three players receive strokes according to 3/4 of the difference
between theirs and that of the lowest handicapped player. Strokes are
taken according to the stroke index of the hole. The result will either
be a win, loss or half.
Extra holes are not played.

Monday, Arden Course.


uk.sport.golf traditionally play a hybrid format on the Monday morning.
Players go out in four-balls but the four consists of two separate
stroke play matches:
a rhubarb grower v a shandy drinker and a whippet trainer v a hop picker.
Full handicap allowances. Courtesy shots for ladies applied before the
difference again based on the standard scratch differential on the card.
The format is Stableford and the best Stableford score of each match
gives a
point to the South (or maybe possibly the North).




From: Bill Seddon on 15 Apr 2008 04:21
Bill Seddon wrote:

couple of changes, for the Monday courtesy shots, substitute the word
"difference" for "game".

Added bit about winner organising next event.

Bill
> Never having done this before I've tried to cobble together some basic
> rules of competition. Those who know more about this, ( everyone)
> please feel free to alter where needed and we can have a proper set in
> place by Sunday!
>
> Bill
>
>
> Rules of competition
>
> Sunday Aylesford Course
>
> Traditionally, Sunday has been 4-ball match play (see Rule 30 of the Rules
> of Golf) which some golfers call 4-ball-better-ball.
> The better ball of the two Northern side's balls matched against the
> better of the two Southern side's balls.
> The lowest net score at a hole wins the hole.
>
> Ladies will receive courtesy shots in accordance with LGU
> recommendations based on the relative standard Scratch scores of the red
> and yellow tees. These shall be applied before the handicap allowance
> is taken.
>
> Stroke allowances shall then be taken according to the mens tee of the
> day, I presume to be yellow.
> The player of the four with the lowest handicap receives no strokes: the
> other three players receive strokes according to 3/4 of the difference
> between theirs and that of the lowest handicapped player. Strokes are
> taken according to the stroke index of the hole. The result will either
> be a win, loss or half.
> Extra holes are not played.
>
> Monday, Arden Course.
>
>
> uk.sport.golf traditionally play a hybrid format on the Monday morning.
> Players go out in four-balls but the four consists of two separate
> stroke play matches:
> a rhubarb grower v a shandy drinker and a whippet trainer v a hop picker.
> Full handicap allowances. Courtesy shots for ladies applied before the
> GAME again based on the standard scratch differential on the card.
> The format is Stableford and the best Stableford score of each match
> gives a
> point to the South (or maybe possibly the North).

Highest individual Stableford score wins the Williams cup, and gets the
pleasure of organising the event next year.
>
>
>
>
From: Demetri (Durram) on 15 Apr 2008 05:33
Bill Seddon wrote:
> Bill Seddon wrote:
>
> couple of changes, for the Monday courtesy shots, substitute the word
> "difference" for "game".
>
> Added bit about winner organising next event.
>
> Bill
>> Never having done this before I've tried to cobble together some basic
>> rules of competition. Those who know more about this, ( everyone)
>> please feel free to alter where needed and we can have a proper set in
>> place by Sunday!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Rules of competition
>>
>> Sunday Aylesford Course
>>
>> Traditionally, Sunday has been 4-ball match play (see Rule 30 of the
>> Rules
>> of Golf) which some golfers call 4-ball-better-ball.
>> The better ball of the two Northern side's balls matched against the
>> better of the two Southern side's balls.
>> The lowest net score at a hole wins the hole.
>>
>> Ladies will receive courtesy shots in accordance with LGU
>> recommendations based on the relative standard Scratch scores of the
>> red and yellow tees. These shall be applied before the handicap
>> allowance is taken.
>>
>> Stroke allowances shall then be taken according to the mens tee of the
>> day, I presume to be yellow.
>> The player of the four with the lowest handicap receives no strokes: the
>> other three players receive strokes according to 3/4 of the difference
>> between theirs and that of the lowest handicapped player. Strokes are
>> taken according to the stroke index of the hole. The result will
>> either be a win, loss or half.
>> Extra holes are not played.
>>
>> Monday, Arden Course.
>>
>>
>> uk.sport.golf traditionally play a hybrid format on the Monday morning.
>> Players go out in four-balls but the four consists of two separate
>> stroke play matches:
>> a rhubarb grower v a shandy drinker and a whippet trainer v a hop picker.
>> Full handicap allowances. Courtesy shots for ladies applied before
>> the GAME again based on the standard scratch differential on the card.
>> The format is Stableford and the best Stableford score of each match
>> gives a
>> point to the South (or maybe possibly the North).
>
> Highest individual Stableford score wins the Williams cup, and gets the
> pleasure of organising the event next year.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Now please don't anybody get me wrong here, I'm not trying to be
patronising or stupid but can't we fix it so one of the women have a
better chance of winning.

Every year they seem to score poorly relative to the men because even
though doing the equalisation shots based upon the relative difference
between the SSS of the tees it is still very much to the advantage of
the men because we are generally playing a shorter course than from
where our handicaps are monitores. If all our comps were from the
yellows then all the men's handicaps would be lower by at lease 2 shots
or 10% whichever is greatest.

Just a thought.

--
Durram
From: Janet Homer on 15 Apr 2008 05:35

"Bill Seddon" <bill@*remove*.seddonendo.com> wrote in message
news:lZ6dnf5lCdYX-JnVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d(a)plusnet...
> Bill Seddon wrote:
>
> couple of changes, for the Monday courtesy shots, substitute the word
> "difference" for "game".

I can understand why we are plaing with equalisation shots on Sunday in a
Better Ball situation, off the men's card. However, will someone be kind
enough to tell me again why we need them when playing off our own card
(individual game) on the Monday? When I play individual Stableford or medal
in a mixed event it is always off the ladies card and I do not get any shots
for difference. My score is against my card and the person on my side with
whom I am 'paired' on Monday, male or female, is against their card so our
joint scores are unaffected by difference.


--
Peace & Love
Janet H
(Tee off to reply)


From: Demetri (Durram) on 15 Apr 2008 06:01
Janet Homer wrote:
> "Bill Seddon" <bill@*remove*.seddonendo.com> wrote in message
> news:lZ6dnf5lCdYX-JnVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d(a)plusnet...
>> Bill Seddon wrote:
>>
>> couple of changes, for the Monday courtesy shots, substitute the word
>> "difference" for "game".
>
> I can understand why we are plaing with equalisation shots on Sunday in a
> Better Ball situation, off the men's card. However, will someone be kind
> enough to tell me again why we need them when playing off our own card
> (individual game) on the Monday? When I play individual Stableford or medal
> in a mixed event it is always off the ladies card and I do not get any shots
> for difference. My score is against my card and the person on my side with
> whom I am 'paired' on Monday, male or female, is against their card so our
> joint scores are unaffected by difference.
>
>

What is the SSS relative to the par for the tees?

If on the Reds the par is 72 and the SSS is 74, and of the yellows the
par is 72 and the SSS 70 then the relative difficulty between the two
courses is 4. Makes sense to me and I'd go further and add couple as
reasoned in a previous post.

L & P
--
D
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