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From: R&B on 5 Aug 2010 11:28 On 2010-08-04 21:39:02 -0400, bknight(a)conramp.net said: > On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:21:35 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > >>>> >>>> -Greg >>> >>> Nonsense - the basic 13" MacBook that I bought my daughter last Fall is >>> currently selling at $949, in the campus computer store, given the >>> student discount. She also got a wireless HP printer/scanner thrown in, >>> and this is also part of the current deal. >>> >>> That includes iSight camera, bluetooth, 802.11n wifi (most of the campus >>> has wifi access), DVD player/burner, and on-campus repair service. Given >>> that students can get Office for ~$50 - none of the PC nickel and diming >>> to set up a usable system. >>> >>> Oh, and the best part of all? No Windoze ;-) >> >> And higher resale values. > > > Talk about nonsense. Who ever resold a computer???? :-) I assume your smiley means you're being facetious. But just in case.... I just seached through eBay for "iMac" and got over 9,000 hits. A search for MacBook Pro revealed over 28,000 hits. Now I'm sure some of those are new computers being sold by online retailers. But a lot are used computers. Let's take a look: Here's a 17-inch MBP with a $1599 bid on it. Would your laptop bring that? > > I think the chronic criticisms of PCs is bullshit. I've had only > Dells since '95, in fact we still have one in my home office that I > bought in '98 that's still going strong. I've had 5 desktops and only > one blew up...because of a virus. PCs are what they are. Dells are fine machines. But it's the operating system, stupid. Windows sucks. It is notorious for locking up, blue screeing, giving driver conflicts, and slowing down due to the weight of all the anti-virus stuff you MUST run. I bought a new Windows machine two years ago and installed NOTHING on it besides Anti Virus and Quick Books. And after two years of using the machine only to do billing on the 1st of the month and to process payments and expenses (I didn't use that computer for anything else), it had slowed to a crawl...until it finally crashed. Every Windows machine I've ever had has slowed down to a crawl after normal use within a year. Of course I'm doing more than just Office tasks. Video, audio, graphics. Macs are just made for that type of work. Windows just labors too much to get through that stuff. > > > The two laptops are in great shape, and I never had a problem with > Vista. And Vista is just a joke. Even Microsoft admits that. The big question is, which Windows does Microsoft disown today? Windows (which morphed into Windows 3.1_ Windows 95 Windows 98 Windows 98SE Windows NT Windows ME Windows 2000 Windows XP Windows Vista Windows 7 By my count, Windows 7 should have been Windows 10. Which three did they decide they didn't want their name on? > IMO the Mac is a fine computer, but the ballyhoo and owner rants > about PCs isn't merited as far as my experience goes. Get a Mac and use it exclusively for six months. You'll see. Randy
From: R&B on 5 Aug 2010 11:29 On 2010-08-04 22:56:28 -0400, bknight(a)conramp.net said: >>> >>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:21:35 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Greg >>>>> >>>>> Nonsense - the basic 13" MacBook that I bought my daughter last Fall is >>>>> currently selling at $949, in the campus computer store, given the >>>>> student discount. She also got a wireless HP printer/scanner thrown in, >>>>> and this is also part of the current deal. >>>>> >>>>> That includes iSight camera, bluetooth, 802.11n wifi (most of the campus >>>>> has wifi access), DVD player/burner, and on-campus repair service. Given >>>>> that students can get Office for ~$50 - none of the PC nickel and diming >>>>> to set up a usable system. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and the best part of all? No Windoze ;-) >>>> >>>> And higher resale values. >>> >>> >>> Talk about nonsense. Who ever resold a computer???? :-) >>> >>> I think the chronic criticisms of PCs is bullshit. I've had only >>> Dells since '95, in fact we still have one in my home office that I >>> bought in '98 that's still going strong. I've had 5 desktops and only >>> one blew up...because of a virus. We've bought new ones for other >>> reasons though. The rest are still alive. There was the one that the >>> FBI had me testify about....bought it from a store in Dallas. When I >>> needed some support from Dell I found out that it was stolen. >>> >>> The two laptops are in great shape, and I never had a problem with >>> Vista. >>> >>> IMO the Mac is a fine computer, but the ballyhoo and owner rants >>> about PCs isn't merited as far as my experience goes. >>> >>> BK >> >> You are certainly welcome to your beliefs. > > Thanks. >> >> Every Mac I've sold used went for 50-60% of new price or better. > > I never had to sell one of my PCs. If Macs are the ultimate computer, > why would anyone ever sell theirs? > > BK Because when new ones come out, people want the new stuff that comes with 'em...instead of sticking with old technology. Randy
From: R&B on 5 Aug 2010 11:33 On 2010-08-05 07:55:35 -0400, William Clark said: > In article <8bv6oaF8egU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message >> news:alangbaker-D7E689.22035304082010(a)news.shawcable.com... >>> In article <kt9k56t59ok4u5q34eheuq3m5be38pgg49(a)4ax.com>, >>> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >>> >> >>>>>> Talk about nonsense. Who ever resold a computer???? :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the chronic criticisms of PCs is bullshit. I've had only >>>>>> Dells since '95, in fact we still have one in my home office that I >>>>>> bought in '98 that's still going strong. I've had 5 desktops and >> only >>>>>> one blew up...because of a virus. We've bought new ones for other >>>>>> reasons though. The rest are still alive. There was the one that the >>>>>> FBI had me testify about....bought it from a store in Dallas. When I >>>>>> needed some support from Dell I found out that it was stolen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The two laptops are in great shape, and I never had a problem with >>>>>> Vista. >>>>>> >>>>>> IMO the Mac is a fine computer, but the ballyhoo and owner rants >>>>>> about PCs isn't merited as far as my experience goes. >>>>>> >>>>>> BK >> >> Amen. The biz Dell desktop I'm using right now is 8 years old. Has 18 gig >> HD and the original Windows 2000 OS on it. Works beautifully. I have >> another one which will replace it when I get around to it. I paid $200 for >> it. >> >> As for laptops, I'm hard on them, primarily because I use them for Coast >> Guard purposes. They are in bouncy boats in all kinds of weather >> conditions. Nonetheless, I buy them used for a couple of hundred and abuse >> them for a couple of years, then get another one. >> >> Would I dare do this with a hoity-toity $1200 Mac? > > See earlier post - where do yu get $1200 from? > >> >>>>> You are certainly welcome to your beliefs. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Every Mac I've sold used went for 50-60% of new price or better. >>>> >>>> I never had to sell one of my PCs. If Macs are the ultimate computer, >>>> why would anyone ever sell theirs? >>>> >>>> BK >>> >>> They want a newer Mac. >> >> Bingo...which is precisely why it makes no sense to spend $1200 on one when >> it will be obsolete in three years. > > Non sequitur. Macs do not get "obselete". In fact we run a 1999 vintage > G4 at home for a lot of routine tasks. I also use a 2003 17" PowerBook. > I can get a little extra speed and Intel processors from my MacBook Pro, > but the PowerBook runs 99% of what I want just fine. My daughter in > college still has the iBook we bought for her in 5th grade, and it runs > a lot of routine apps just fine. Our Dell Inspiron, on the other hand, > is so slow and frustrating, it sits quietly in the "off" position almost > all of the time. >> >> -Greg In some industries, they do grow obsolete...like Windows machines do. Software manufacturers who write the kind of software someone like me would use (audio, video production software) don't still support the pre-Intel Macs. That said, I know plenty of people still running Pro Tools or Avid on their old G4 Macs and are perfectly happy not to upgrade to the newest things. I don't know many running old PCs of the same era who aren't having trouble with them. Randy
From: R&B on 5 Aug 2010 11:36 On 2010-08-05 09:10:01 -0400, bknight(a)conramp.net said: > On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:03:53 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > >> In article <kt9k56t59ok4u5q34eheuq3m5be38pgg49(a)4ax.com>, >> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > >>> I never had to sell one of my PCs. If Macs are the ultimate computer, >>> why would anyone ever sell theirs? >>> >>> BK >> >> They want a newer Mac. > > I just bought newer PCs, mainly for larger capacity. > > BK Bobby, I suspect you're only running fairly basic Office-like apps. The heft of running apps like Pro Tools or Avid (or Final Cut Pro or After Effects) necessitate a somewhat more robust machine. Randy
From: R&B on 5 Aug 2010 11:42
On 2010-08-05 09:48:02 -0400, bknight(a)conramp.net said: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:33:49 -0500, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> In article <qsel561d33ji2ni7mg4gfpesa3n0i6fjvj(a)4ax.com>, >> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>> Do you compose music? >>> >>> BK >> >> No, or at least not anything that is ever good! :) >> >> I mostly do some engraving to get the very small typefaced fakebook >> music over to something I can read. Scan in, blow up, modify a bit and >> then load into MusicReader so I can play it on my organ. >> >> I use Finale and Sibelius, mostly Finale these days. Totally amateur >> stuff, but I enjoy it. > > That's what music, any music, is supposed to be for. >> >> I know you are a musician. So maybe you can explain loop-based music to >> me. I have GarageBand on my Mac that everyone says is wonderful, but it >> is all loop-based. And I just don't get it. > > Looping is just sampling, and reconstructing those samples, to create > a repetition that can be electrically inserted into recorded music. > That's the extent of my knowledge about it. > > BK Bobby is pretty might right on about this. I don't use Garage Band, but I have it, and have opened it and fiddled around with it. It's music software for people without musical ability (like me). In the hands of someone who actually knows how to play, it is a powerful tool (not quite like Pro Tools or Logic, but an excellent entry point...and is a helluva lot more powerful tool than most beginners will ever fully grasp). It's amazing...there's this guy named Alex Lindsay who appears on some Leo Laporte podcasts. Lindsay worked on special effects on one of the Star Wars movies. He pointed out recently that the new iPhones are more powerful than the computers he worked on to do the Star Wars special effects. So you can just imagine how much more horsepower is available to the musically-inclined using Garage Band than was available...even to...say...George Martin when he was producing The Beatles. It's mind boggling. Of course technology can't quite replace TALENT. But in some cases, it can come pretty darn close. Just turn on the radio for all the proof you need. Randy |