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From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 15:37 In article <se4m561oeaoenhc56kmr0ikvukadn33apv(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:08:59 -0400, William Clark > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: > > > > >Well, in the spirit of conciliation, I am curious to know if you use the > >PC much for music apps? I do a lot of video and sound editing (high > >marching band, and so on), while in my real job I need intensive image > >processing and atomistic calculations. It simply turns out that Apple > >has had these two fields very much to itself when it comes to ease of > >use and speed for many years. Editing video is complex enough that the > >app should be simple to transparent, and with Final Cut, Studio, etc., > >it pretty much is. Same for the image processing, so the choice makes > >itself for me, and most people in the graphic and video arts field. > > > >If applications like this are not your thing, then I think you are > >perfectly justified in staying with what you know. > > No, I'm retired from music, and was never interested in anything > computerized in that field anyway. not involved with video at all. > > BK I'm not all that much of a musician, but I do play, and I'd like to know: How do you retire from music? Almost every musician I've ever known does it from the time they learn to play until they die. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: bknight on 5 Aug 2010 15:40 On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:15:03 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <ag2m569t776q5ai8ivtm2klkp2on472sa8(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >> No, but the haughty, high and mighty, insinuation that someone is less >> knowledgeable because they don't agree with you is hubris. Your >> belief that something is better doesn't make it so for others. > >I don't think you are less knowledgeable simply because you don't agree, >Bobby. I've seen this same pattern played out many many times. At least >allow for the possibility that someone who has made his living selling >Macs (and for a short while, PCs), and later supporting Macs (and >Windows!) might know something about the situation you don't. It doesn't matter Alan, my experience is enough for me to know what I want. I've had Mac users insist that I try their machines out. They didn't change my mind. You should've highlighted the word *might*. ' BK
From: MNMikeW on 5 Aug 2010 15:41 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-A4BEFD.12294805082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <8c0hkoFhamU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message >> news:alangbaker-94E029.12122705082010(a)news.shawcable.com... >> > In article <8c0g4vF7nnU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >> > >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message >> >> news:alangbaker-CF4A75.11411205082010(a)news.shawcable.com... >> >> > In article >> >> > <359f5904-0e83-47ec-a50c-486dc5e6e0bf(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, >> >> > Paula <semendfw(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >> >> >> > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:57:51 -0400, William Clark >> >> >> > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >In article <f4nl56d3bt6b4iqvl5jv675n7tjqhijjpe(a)4ax.com>, >> >> >> > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:29:06 -0400, "R&B" >> >> >> > >> <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >Because when new ones come out, people want the new stuff >> >> >> > >> >that >> >> >> > >> >comes >> >> >> > >> >with 'em...instead of sticking with old technology. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >Randy >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> You can rant, and tout, all you want, but for the casual >> >> >> > >> user, >> >> >> > >> which >> >> >> > >> is the vast majority, PCs work just fine, and the hubris of >> >> >> > >> Mac >> >> >> > >> users >> >> >> > >> is a turn-off. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >No disagreement there. Each to his own. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That has been my position from the beginning, and I don't take >> >> >> > kindly >> >> >> > to anyone suggesting that I lied when I say that I've never had a >> >> >> > blue >> >> >> > screen I haven't. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'm perfectly happy with PCS and don't need the snobbery from >> >> >> > some >> >> >> > Mac >> >> >> > users. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > BK >> >> >> >> >> >> I know a lot of people that have Macs. They are not snobs. What a >> >> >> silly statment. >> >> >> >> >> >> Just because someone prefers one OS over another, does that make >> >> >> them >> >> >> a snob? >> >> > >> >> > And recognizing something is better isn't hubris. >> >> > >> >> Better for you is not necessarily better for somebody else. I use both >> >> everyday, I like PCs better. >> > >> > Really? What do you do for a living that has you using both *every* >> > day, >> > and what is the ratio of usage? >> > >> Been in the computer biz since 1984. Worked on them all, >> mainframes,Iseries,Unix,Linux,PCs, ect. MS certified in >> NT,2000,2003,almost >> done with 2008. We typically use the Macs for QA work on our desktop apps >> since we support that as well. We use the PCs far more than the macs. And >> I'm by no means a Mac expert. In fact, we've automated most of the >> testing >> with Java so we don't even actually have to touch the Macs now. ;-) > > So what you're saying is that your initial statement was actually a lie, > wasn't it? Not at all retard. > > Your actual use of the interface is nil and therefore you cannot know > whether you'd actually prefer it if you used it for long enough to > actually know your way around it as opposed to using it for a few > minutes here and there (which you might have done at one point). > I used the interface enough to know I like PCs better. They weren't always automated.
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 15:42 In article <fn4m56lslhhgagjb68muo9hdu8dklvk1ru(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:15:03 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > >In article <ag2m569t776q5ai8ivtm2klkp2on472sa8(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > >> No, but the haughty, high and mighty, insinuation that someone is less > >> knowledgeable because they don't agree with you is hubris. Your > >> belief that something is better doesn't make it so for others. > > > >I don't think you are less knowledgeable simply because you don't agree, > >Bobby. I've seen this same pattern played out many many times. At least > >allow for the possibility that someone who has made his living selling > >Macs (and for a short while, PCs), and later supporting Macs (and > >Windows!) might know something about the situation you don't. > > It doesn't matter Alan, my experience is enough for me to know what I > want. I've had Mac users insist that I try their machines out. They > didn't change my mind. How long did you use the machines when this happened? > > You should've highlighted the word *might*. Why? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 15:43
In article <8c0ienFmd9U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-A4BEFD.12294805082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <8c0hkoFhamU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >> news:alangbaker-94E029.12122705082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> > In article <8c0g4vF7nnU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:alangbaker-CF4A75.11411205082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> >> > In article > >> >> > <359f5904-0e83-47ec-a50c-486dc5e6e0bf(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, > >> >> > Paula <semendfw(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> >> >> > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:57:51 -0400, William Clark > >> >> >> > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >In article <f4nl56d3bt6b4iqvl5jv675n7tjqhijjpe(a)4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:29:06 -0400, "R&B" > >> >> >> > >> <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >Because when new ones come out, people want the new stuff > >> >> >> > >> >that > >> >> >> > >> >comes > >> >> >> > >> >with 'em...instead of sticking with old technology. > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> >Randy > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> You can rant, and tout, all you want, but for the casual > >> >> >> > >> user, > >> >> >> > >> which > >> >> >> > >> is the vast majority, PCs work just fine, and the hubris of > >> >> >> > >> Mac > >> >> >> > >> users > >> >> >> > >> is a turn-off. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >No disagreement there. Each to his own. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > That has been my position from the beginning, and I don't take > >> >> >> > kindly > >> >> >> > to anyone suggesting that I lied when I say that I've never had a > >> >> >> > blue > >> >> >> > screen I haven't. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I'm perfectly happy with PCS and don't need the snobbery from > >> >> >> > some > >> >> >> > Mac > >> >> >> > users. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > BK > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I know a lot of people that have Macs. They are not snobs. What a > >> >> >> silly statment. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just because someone prefers one OS over another, does that make > >> >> >> them > >> >> >> a snob? > >> >> > > >> >> > And recognizing something is better isn't hubris. > >> >> > > >> >> Better for you is not necessarily better for somebody else. I use both > >> >> everyday, I like PCs better. > >> > > >> > Really? What do you do for a living that has you using both *every* > >> > day, > >> > and what is the ratio of usage? > >> > > >> Been in the computer biz since 1984. Worked on them all, > >> mainframes,Iseries,Unix,Linux,PCs, ect. MS certified in > >> NT,2000,2003,almost > >> done with 2008. We typically use the Macs for QA work on our desktop apps > >> since we support that as well. We use the PCs far more than the macs. And > >> I'm by no means a Mac expert. In fact, we've automated most of the > >> testing > >> with Java so we don't even actually have to touch the Macs now. ;-) > > > > So what you're saying is that your initial statement was actually a lie, > > wasn't it? > > Not at all retard. Really? "I use both" followed by "we don't even actually have to touch the Macs now". > > > > Your actual use of the interface is nil and therefore you cannot know > > whether you'd actually prefer it if you used it for long enough to > > actually know your way around it as opposed to using it for a few > > minutes here and there (which you might have done at one point). > > > I used the interface enough to know I like PCs better. They weren't always > automated. When was the last time? Ho long at any one sitting did you use it? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |