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From: bknight on 5 Aug 2010 15:54 On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:32:12 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >In article <e04m561hj732q1q3hsecfpttl9oo8hb104(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:04:50 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> >> wrote: >> >> >> >And is your attitude the same in every part of life? When you hear about >> >a better way to hit the golf ball from a pro, do you tell him, "your >> >years of experience don't count"? >> >> I would only hear from him if I thought he was a good pro and I hired >> him. > >So expertise in a field is only valuable if you paid for it? > >Butch Harmon's understanding of the golf swing is less than yours >because you haven't paid for it? > >> >> Hint. You didn't get the hint Alan. If I was looking for information I'd go to a pro that I believed in and hire him. I haven't hired you, and I don't think you know more than I about what I need. > >Sorry, Bobby, but the world doesn't work that way. The part of computers >that interests me most is the human-computer interaction. I'm always >observing my clients as they use the computer and what I see is that >they don't even see the way things get in their way. They don't perceive >things as problems unless it's a "blue screen". Sorry Alan, my world works this way; if I want information from you I'll ask for it. You can observe your clients all you want, but I'm not a client, and you have absolutely no idea what I need. I've tried several times to convey this to you. Why don't we leave it at this; use your vast intelligence to push someone else to your way of thinking. Any more of your "help" is not wanted, nor needed. It will be received as what it is; self-important bullshit. Is that clear enough? BK
From: bknight on 5 Aug 2010 15:57 On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:34:39 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >Stick with me here, I'm trying to make a point. :-) You just don't get it do you? Go away. BK
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 15:58 In article <8c0j1qFq4gU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> >> Been in the computer biz since 1984. Worked on them all, > >> >> mainframes,Iseries,Unix,Linux,PCs, ect. MS certified in > >> >> NT,2000,2003,almost > >> >> done with 2008. We typically use the Macs for QA work on our desktop > >> >> apps > >> >> since we support that as well. We use the PCs far more than the macs. > >> >> And > >> >> I'm by no means a Mac expert. In fact, we've automated most of the > >> >> testing > >> >> with Java so we don't even actually have to touch the Macs now. ;-) > >> > > >> > So what you're saying is that your initial statement was actually a > >> > lie, > >> > wasn't it? > >> > >> Not at all retard. > > > > Really? > > > > "I use both" followed by "we don't even actually have to touch the Macs > > now". Well? > > > >> > > >> > Your actual use of the interface is nil and therefore you cannot know > >> > whether you'd actually prefer it if you used it for long enough to > >> > actually know your way around it as opposed to using it for a few > >> > minutes here and there (which you might have done at one point). > >> > > >> I used the interface enough to know I like PCs better. They weren't > >> always > >> automated. > > > > When was the last time? Ho long at any one sitting did you use it? > > > Monday I suppose. And I used it long enough to get the tests running. I play > around on a friends G-something from time to time. It's ok for web stuff. In > the business apps world, its a PC world, we don't have a lot of demand to > support Macs except for our web/desktop based apps. So a few minutes at a time. Fact is, the reasons people come back to me and thank me for getting them to switch (yes: I have actually had people I've sold their first Mac come back and thank me *profusely* for convincing them in the face of their initial skepticism) don't emerge in a few minutes of use. > > You like ur macs, fine. I like my Pcs. Are Macs better at some things, sure. > And PCs are better at some things. Give an example of something a PC is actually better at that isn't simply "runs application X"... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:00 In article <485m56ti7gk8b1ds7kvcsom2p7tlotg7a9(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:32:12 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > >In article <e04m561hj732q1q3hsecfpttl9oo8hb104(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:04:50 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> >And is your attitude the same in every part of life? When you hear about > >> >a better way to hit the golf ball from a pro, do you tell him, "your > >> >years of experience don't count"? > >> > >> I would only hear from him if I thought he was a good pro and I hired > >> him. > > > >So expertise in a field is only valuable if you paid for it? > > > >Butch Harmon's understanding of the golf swing is less than yours > >because you haven't paid for it? > > > >> > >> Hint. > > You didn't get the hint Alan. If I was looking for information I'd go > to a pro that I believed in and hire him. This is a discussion you're choosing to have, Bobby. > > I haven't hired you, and I don't think you know more than I about what > I need. Of course you don't, but I'm pointing out that your opinion is only that, and that in the real world expertise matters. > > > >Sorry, Bobby, but the world doesn't work that way. The part of computers > >that interests me most is the human-computer interaction. I'm always > >observing my clients as they use the computer and what I see is that > >they don't even see the way things get in their way. They don't perceive > >things as problems unless it's a "blue screen". > > Sorry Alan, my world works this way; if I want information from you > I'll ask for it. You can observe your clients all you want, but I'm > not a client, and you have absolutely no idea what I need. I'm sorry, Bobby, but you fall into the general class of personal computer user, and I have learned a lot about that class and what they do and do not need. > > I've tried several times to convey this to you. Why don't we leave it > at this; use your vast intelligence to push someone else to your way > of thinking. Any more of your "help" is not wanted, nor needed. It > will be received as what it is; self-important bullshit. > > Is that clear enough? Sure: "You're challenging me and presenting information I find too difficult to refute, so I'll just wave my hands and call it 'bullshit'". -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:02
In article <as5m56h5dmou8r2l9q03q9pfsh7pvotfh1(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:34:39 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > >Stick with me here, I'm trying to make a point. :-) > > You just don't get it do you? > > Go away. > > BK Nope. But I will note that you've perhaps gleaned where I was going and really don't want to have to admit it. :-) -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |