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From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:23 In article <8c0jv4FvmuU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-38F8ED.12321205082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <e04m561hj732q1q3hsecfpttl9oo8hb104(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:04:50 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >And is your attitude the same in every part of life? When you hear > about > > > >a better way to hit the golf ball from a pro, do you tell him, "your > > > >years of experience don't count"? > > > > > > I would only hear from him if I thought he was a good pro and I hired > > > him. > > > > So expertise in a field is only valuable if you paid for it? > > > > Butch Harmon's understanding of the golf swing is less than yours > > because you haven't paid for it? > > > > > > > > Hint. > > > > Sorry, Bobby, but the world doesn't work that way. The part of computers > > that interests me most is the human-computer interaction. I'm always > > observing my clients as they use the computer and what I see is that > > they don't even see the way things get in their way. They don't perceive > > things as problems unless it's a "blue screen". > > Explain my satisfaction with my 8 year old Dell desktop. I haven't seen a > blue screen in years. Others are saying the same thing. You're caught up > in your ego and limited paradigm. Your satisfaction is built on not knowing it can be better. I'm sorry, but the odds are nearly 100% that this is the case. You talk about the bias of people who spend more money buying a Mac forcing them to believe it's better. Well will you admit that the same hold true for the huge investment in time it takes for someone to get truly fluent with using Windows? I really do work in the world of both, Greg. I work regularly on Windows installations for my clients and I observe how much harder it is to do basic tasks and how much more likely they are to go wrong. Case in point: the Windows machines at a client's office condo (rental offices with a shared receptionist, meeting rooms etc.) regularly screw up causing the office manager to have to change the router's DHCP range. No Mac in the office ever screws up in this manner. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:24 In article <8c0k0fFa8U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-41004A.12491605082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <8c0ipaFoc9U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > You don't have the extra sensory intelligence to tell me what I mean > > > > > when it say that, so don't go there. > > > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > Baker, Like Randy and Clark are your typical McSnobs. How dare you > > > question > > > > the illuminati on all things computer. No surprise they are all > liberal as > > > > well. > > > > > > Couldn't tell you what Cluck has said but I don't think it's fair to > compare > > > Randy's posts to Baker. Randy's computer usage is probably more high > end > > > and complicated than your's, mine, and perhaps Bobby's. He made a > switch > > > and was rewarded for it. It's natural for him to share this. > > > > > > Baker is one of these arrogant asses who believes his toys are better > than > > > everybody else's. > > > > LOL > > > > I get paid to offer people advice on their computers, Greg. It's what I > > do for a living. > > > > You remember: the thing you've repeatedly lied about me not having. > > > > :-) > > If you have a job, why don't you get busy with it and leave the grownups > alone. > > -Greg LOL I'm working from home at the moment, Greg. And getting paid well to do so. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:24 In article <8c0k57F1ftU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:8c0j1qFq4gU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > > You like ur macs, fine. I like my Pcs. Are Macs better at some things, > sure. > > And PCs are better at some things. > > Bingo....but don't expect Baker to comprehend this grown up concept. LOL > > His toys rule. > We savages drool. Nope. But I have to go with my experience with lots and lots of different users. And I'm betting heavy it is broader and deeper than yours. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 5 Aug 2010 16:35 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-70B426.13193105082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <8c0jo6FugbU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-C76F44.12463705082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > The idea under consideration here is your assertion that know one can > > > know more about what you need because they cannot read your mind and > > > there are clearly lots of instances where humans are not the best judge > > > of what it is they need. > > > > But you, of course, are judge and jury as to what a computer user requires. > > Nope. Nothing so grand. I'm a personal computer support professional who > has spent more than twenty years, using, selling and supporting personal > computers and personal computer users. As such, I've learned that what > people think is going on and what is actually going on with their use of > computers differs widely. Really. Tell me. In your vast experience, have you ever told a PC user that he should stick with a PC? > I'm not making this stuff up, Greg: people *literally* say that they > couldn't get why it would make such a difference, but that they were > completely wrong and it *does*. I've seen it over and over and over > again. Yes. Diesel guys say this about the gassers and vice versa. There are people who prefer/ridicule rag boats. Others prefer power. 8 track vs. cassette. Dems vs. GOP. Chevy vs. Ford. The list goes on and on. > > Ever consider this factor with your "testimonials?" Most people put thought > > into large dollar purchases. Therefore, if they choose a Mac and then > > determine it's equivalent or slightly superior to a PC, are they going to > > admit it? Quietly perhaps. That leaves the loud ones who require > > affirmation. They will tout their purchase to the nth degree, just to > > stroke their own ego and diminish their nagging doubts. I've seen it happen > > with cars, boats, golf clubs, etc. My toy is better than yours, only > > because I own it. > > There is undoubtedly some of that, but look at the preponderance of > people who report after the switch that the Mac *is* that much better > than using Windows. Of course they do. Are they going to chuck their $1200 Mac into the can and revert back to a PC? No....they will adapt and affirm their purchase. A few become McSnobs. > And then there are guys like this: > > "On June 20th, I declared that I was going to try A Month of Mac. I > took my Macbook Pro (an older model from about 18 months ago) up to > Alaska, left my Lenovo x300 in Boulder, and went native Mac. > > I�m typing this on my brand new spiffy MacBook Pro 2.66 GHz Intel Core > i7 with 8GB RAM, with a 500GB solid state hard drive. I can�t figure > out why I�ve been so stubborn about really switching to the Mac. This > is a beautiful computer. > > The key to this switch was that the native mac apps (Mail, iCal, and > Address Book) sync seamlessly with Exchange. So I don�t have to deal > with the abortion that is Entourage but at the same time I don�t have to > mess around with our email server and impact everyone else in our > organization. That�s sweet. I had a feeling this would work this time > since it works flawlessly on my iPhone and iPad, and it did. The only > thing missing is Tasks, but I started using Evernote instead which > actually worked even better than the Outlook Task manager." > <http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2010/08/the-mac-won-me-over.html> > > So he tried it for a month, and then went out and spent the money. But in your "world", nobody tries a Mac for a month and decide otherwise. Wait a second. BK and Mike have tried Macs.....but their ignorant experience don't count, do they?? Dem Dumbasses! > And read the comments. I could literally spend the next couple of hours > copying and pasting, but here are a few right off the top. The point is that you could post testimonies about Hyundai and Chevy's and Renaults. It still doesn't mean, in of themselves, that a particular product is more suitable than another. YMMV applies. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:36
In article <8c0ld5F992U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-70B426.13193105082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <8c0jo6FugbU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > news:alangbaker-C76F44.12463705082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > The idea under consideration here is your assertion that know one can > > > > know more about what you need because they cannot read your mind and > > > > there are clearly lots of instances where humans are not the best > judge > > > > of what it is they need. > > > > > > But you, of course, are judge and jury as to what a computer user > requires. > > > > Nope. Nothing so grand. I'm a personal computer support professional who > > has spent more than twenty years, using, selling and supporting personal > > computers and personal computer users. As such, I've learned that what > > people think is going on and what is actually going on with their use of > > computers differs widely. > > Really. Tell me. In your vast experience, have you ever told a PC user > that he should stick with a PC? Yes. > > > I'm not making this stuff up, Greg: people *literally* say that they > > couldn't get why it would make such a difference, but that they were > > completely wrong and it *does*. I've seen it over and over and over > > again. > > Yes. Diesel guys say this about the gassers and vice versa. There are > people who prefer/ridicule rag boats. Others prefer power. 8 track vs. > cassette. Dems vs. GOP. Chevy vs. Ford. The list goes on and on. It does. But it doesn't mean that it is always irrelevant. > > > > Ever consider this factor with your "testimonials?" Most people put > thought > > > into large dollar purchases. Therefore, if they choose a Mac and then > > > determine it's equivalent or slightly superior to a PC, are they going > to > > > admit it? Quietly perhaps. That leaves the loud ones who require > > > affirmation. They will tout their purchase to the nth degree, just to > > > stroke their own ego and diminish their nagging doubts. I've seen it > happen > > > with cars, boats, golf clubs, etc. My toy is better than yours, only > > > because I own it. > > > > There is undoubtedly some of that, but look at the preponderance of > > people who report after the switch that the Mac *is* that much better > > than using Windows. > > Of course they do. Are they going to chuck their $1200 Mac into the can and > revert back to a PC? No....they will adapt and affirm their purchase. A > few become McSnobs. You just completely ignored what I said. > > > And then there are guys like this: > > > > "On June 20th, I declared that I was going to try A Month of Mac. I > > took my Macbook Pro (an older model from about 18 months ago) up to > > Alaska, left my Lenovo x300 in Boulder, and went native Mac. > > > > I�m typing this on my brand new spiffy MacBook Pro 2.66 GHz Intel Core > > i7 with 8GB RAM, with a 500GB solid state hard drive. I can�t figure > > out why I�ve been so stubborn about really switching to the Mac. This > > is a beautiful computer. > > > > The key to this switch was that the native mac apps (Mail, iCal, and > > Address Book) sync seamlessly with Exchange. So I don�t have to deal > > with the abortion that is Entourage but at the same time I don�t have to > > mess around with our email server and impact everyone else in our > > organization. That�s sweet. I had a feeling this would work this time > > since it works flawlessly on my iPhone and iPad, and it did. The only > > thing missing is Tasks, but I started using Evernote instead which > > actually worked even better than the Outlook Task manager." > > <http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2010/08/the-mac-won-me-over.html> > > > > So he tried it for a month, and then went out and spent the money. > > But in your "world", nobody tries a Mac for a month and decide otherwise. Not nobody. Very few. He tried it for a month, and then bought one to make the switch permanent. > Wait a second. BK and Mike have tried Macs.....but their ignorant > experience don't count, do they?? Both say they've tried them for a few minutes at a time. Not for a month. > > Dem Dumbasses! > > > And read the comments. I could literally spend the next couple of hours > > copying and pasting, but here are a few right off the top. > > The point is that you could post testimonies about Hyundai and Chevy's and > Renaults. It still doesn't mean, in of themselves, that a particular > product is more suitable than another. It might on an open website where you can hardly find a dissenting comment. This wasn't testimonials on a Mac forum, Greg. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |