From: dene on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-602B48.13234205082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article <8c0jv4FvmuU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> > Explain my satisfaction with my 8 year old Dell desktop. I haven't seen
a
> > blue screen in years. Others are saying the same thing. You're caught
up
> > in your ego and limited paradigm.
>
> Your satisfaction is built on not knowing it can be better. I'm sorry,
> but the odds are nearly 100% that this is the case. You talk about the
> bias of people who spend more money buying a Mac forcing them to believe
> it's better.

There is no way to improve my experience. I turn on OE...it works. I turn
on my Firefox browser...it works. Same with the business applications. All
of them work beautifully. The only reasons I will change is to take
advantage of a larger HD, memory, and co-processor speed. But....the
stability of this platform cannot be improved....just duplicated.

Given this, why would I want to waste hours learning another OS and the
software associated with it.

> Well will you admit that the same hold true for the huge investment in
> time it takes for someone to get truly fluent with using Windows?

Yes....because their experience is subjective!!!!!

> I really do work in the world of both, Greg. I work regularly on Windows
> installations for my clients and I observe how much harder it is to do
> basic tasks and how much more likely they are to go wrong. Case in
> point: the Windows machines at a client's office condo (rental offices
> with a shared receptionist, meeting rooms etc.) regularly screw up
> causing the office manager to have to change the router's DHCP range. No
> Mac in the office ever screws up in this manner.

Fine....but the other office down the road has zero problems. So explain
that.

-Greg



From: Howard Brazee on
On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 07:55:35 -0400, William Clark
<clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:

>Non sequitur. Macs do not get "obselete". In fact we run a 1999 vintage
>G4 at home for a lot of routine tasks. I also use a 2003 17" PowerBook.

Sure they do. There's software, and even Mac OS which won't run on
old enough Macs.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: dene on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-EC0692.13245805082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article <8c0k57F1ftU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:8c0j1qFq4gU1(a)mid.individual.net...
> >
> > >
> > > You like ur macs, fine. I like my Pcs. Are Macs better at some things,
> > sure.
> > > And PCs are better at some things.
> >
> > Bingo....but don't expect Baker to comprehend this grown up concept.
>
> LOL
>
> >
> > His toys rule.
> > We savages drool.
>
> Nope. But I have to go with my experience with lots and lots of
> different users. And I'm betting heavy it is broader and deeper than
> yours.

I'd make the bet that you sell and support Macs exclusively. In my biz, you
would be an agent, not a broker.

Agents work for a particular company.
Brokers work for their clients, representing several companies, without
bias.

-Greg


From: Alan Baker on
In article <8c0lugFcghU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-602B48.13234205082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > In article <8c0jv4FvmuU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > Explain my satisfaction with my 8 year old Dell desktop. I haven't seen
> a
> > > blue screen in years. Others are saying the same thing. You're caught
> up
> > > in your ego and limited paradigm.
> >
> > Your satisfaction is built on not knowing it can be better. I'm sorry,
> > but the odds are nearly 100% that this is the case. You talk about the
> > bias of people who spend more money buying a Mac forcing them to believe
> > it's better.
>
> There is no way to improve my experience. I turn on OE...it works. I turn
> on my Firefox browser...it works. Same with the business applications. All
> of them work beautifully. The only reasons I will change is to take
> advantage of a larger HD, memory, and co-processor speed. But....the
> stability of this platform cannot be improved....just duplicated.
>
> Given this, why would I want to waste hours learning another OS and the
> software associated with it.

Oh come on, Greg...

Even you don't believe what you just said. It was the semantic
equivalent of saying "my computer is perfect", that should you update
the OS or application, there will be not a single thing where you can
say "Hey! This works better than it did in the old version".

Is that really what you want to go with?

>
> > Well will you admit that the same hold true for the huge investment in
> > time it takes for someone to get truly fluent with using Windows?
>
> Yes....because their experience is subjective!!!!!

So re-evaluate your previous statements in the light of what you just
admitted is true.

>
> > I really do work in the world of both, Greg. I work regularly on Windows
> > installations for my clients and I observe how much harder it is to do
> > basic tasks and how much more likely they are to go wrong. Case in
> > point: the Windows machines at a client's office condo (rental offices
> > with a shared receptionist, meeting rooms etc.) regularly screw up
> > causing the office manager to have to change the router's DHCP range. No
> > Mac in the office ever screws up in this manner.
>
> Fine....but the other office down the road has zero problems. So explain
> that.

I don't know that the other office down the road has zero problems. What
I do know is that the Macs don't have a problem and the Windows users
are completely unsurprised that they do.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: MNMikeW on

"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message
news:8c0lugFcghU1(a)mid.individual.net...
>
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-602B48.13234205082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> In article <8c0jv4FvmuU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
>> > Explain my satisfaction with my 8 year old Dell desktop. I haven't
>> > seen
> a
>> > blue screen in years. Others are saying the same thing. You're caught
> up
>> > in your ego and limited paradigm.
>>
>> Your satisfaction is built on not knowing it can be better. I'm sorry,
>> but the odds are nearly 100% that this is the case. You talk about the
>> bias of people who spend more money buying a Mac forcing them to believe
>> it's better.
>
> There is no way to improve my experience. I turn on OE...it works. I
> turn
> on my Firefox browser...it works. Same with the business applications.
> All
> of them work beautifully. The only reasons I will change is to take
> advantage of a larger HD, memory, and co-processor speed. But....the
> stability of this platform cannot be improved....just duplicated.
>
> Given this, why would I want to waste hours learning another OS and the
> software associated with it.
>
>> Well will you admit that the same hold true for the huge investment in
>> time it takes for someone to get truly fluent with using Windows?
>
> Yes....because their experience is subjective!!!!!
>
>> I really do work in the world of both, Greg. I work regularly on Windows
>> installations for my clients and I observe how much harder it is to do
>> basic tasks and how much more likely they are to go wrong. Case in
>> point: the Windows machines at a client's office condo (rental offices
>> with a shared receptionist, meeting rooms etc.) regularly screw up
>> causing the office manager to have to change the router's DHCP range. No
>> Mac in the office ever screws up in this manner.
>
> Fine....but the other office down the road has zero problems. So explain
> that.
>
> -Greg
>
>
>
Alan didn't install that one. ;-)