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From: MNMikeW on 5 Aug 2010 16:49 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-EC0692.13245805082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <8c0k57F1ftU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:8c0j1qFq4gU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> > >> > You like ur macs, fine. I like my Pcs. Are Macs better at some things, >> sure. >> > And PCs are better at some things. >> >> Bingo....but don't expect Baker to comprehend this grown up concept. > > LOL > >> >> His toys rule. >> We savages drool. > > Nope. But I have to go with my experience with lots and lots of > different users. And I'm betting heavy it is broader and deeper than > yours. > Your arrogance certainly is.
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:50 In article <8c0m47FdidU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-EC0692.13245805082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <8c0k57F1ftU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > > news:8c0j1qFq4gU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > > > > > > > > You like ur macs, fine. I like my Pcs. Are Macs better at some things, > > > sure. > > > > And PCs are better at some things. > > > > > > Bingo....but don't expect Baker to comprehend this grown up concept. > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > His toys rule. > > > We savages drool. > > > > Nope. But I have to go with my experience with lots and lots of > > different users. And I'm betting heavy it is broader and deeper than > > yours. > > I'd make the bet that you sell and support Macs exclusively. In my biz, you > would be an agent, not a broker. And once again, you'd be wrong. 1. I no longer sell Macs. I haven't done since 1997. 2. I support primarily Macs, but since there are relatively few companies that are exclusively Macs (and since places that are exclusively Macs have so few problems) I support Windows systems as well. > > Agents work for a particular company. > Brokers work for their clients, representing several companies, without > bias. I work for myself. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:51 In article <8c0md9Ffc3U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > news:8c0lugFcghU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-602B48.13234205082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> In article <8c0jv4FvmuU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > >> > Explain my satisfaction with my 8 year old Dell desktop. I haven't > >> > seen > > a > >> > blue screen in years. Others are saying the same thing. You're caught > > up > >> > in your ego and limited paradigm. > >> > >> Your satisfaction is built on not knowing it can be better. I'm sorry, > >> but the odds are nearly 100% that this is the case. You talk about the > >> bias of people who spend more money buying a Mac forcing them to believe > >> it's better. > > > > There is no way to improve my experience. I turn on OE...it works. I > > turn > > on my Firefox browser...it works. Same with the business applications. > > All > > of them work beautifully. The only reasons I will change is to take > > advantage of a larger HD, memory, and co-processor speed. But....the > > stability of this platform cannot be improved....just duplicated. > > > > Given this, why would I want to waste hours learning another OS and the > > software associated with it. > > > >> Well will you admit that the same hold true for the huge investment in > >> time it takes for someone to get truly fluent with using Windows? > > > > Yes....because their experience is subjective!!!!! > > > >> I really do work in the world of both, Greg. I work regularly on Windows > >> installations for my clients and I observe how much harder it is to do > >> basic tasks and how much more likely they are to go wrong. Case in > >> point: the Windows machines at a client's office condo (rental offices > >> with a shared receptionist, meeting rooms etc.) regularly screw up > >> causing the office manager to have to change the router's DHCP range. No > >> Mac in the office ever screws up in this manner. > > > > Fine....but the other office down the road has zero problems. So explain > > that. > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > Alan didn't install that one. ;-) I didn't install this one, either. I'm just supporting it, now. Don't ask me why, but some of the Windows systems consistently lose their ability to get IP addresses from router running DHCP and the only thing that works is to change the range. Macs in the same office *never* have the problem. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 5 Aug 2010 16:52 In article <8c0mfhFfn6U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-EC0692.13245805082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <8c0k57F1ftU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > >> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message > >> news:8c0j1qFq4gU1(a)mid.individual.net... > >> > >> > > >> > You like ur macs, fine. I like my Pcs. Are Macs better at some things, > >> sure. > >> > And PCs are better at some things. > >> > >> Bingo....but don't expect Baker to comprehend this grown up concept. > > > > LOL > > > >> > >> His toys rule. > >> We savages drool. > > > > Nope. But I have to go with my experience with lots and lots of > > different users. And I'm betting heavy it is broader and deeper than > > yours. > > > Your arrogance certainly is. It's not arrogance to know where your expertise lies, Mike. This is how I've made my living for more than 20 years. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 5 Aug 2010 17:09
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-E6EE24.13362605082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <8c0ld5F992U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > news:alangbaker-70B426.13193105082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > In article <8c0jo6FugbU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > news:alangbaker-C76F44.12463705082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > > The idea under consideration here is your assertion that know one can > > > > > know more about what you need because they cannot read your mind and > > > > > there are clearly lots of instances where humans are not the best > > judge > > > > > of what it is they need. > > > > > > > > But you, of course, are judge and jury as to what a computer user > > requires. > > > > > > Nope. Nothing so grand. I'm a personal computer support professional who > > > has spent more than twenty years, using, selling and supporting personal > > > computers and personal computer users. As such, I've learned that what > > > people think is going on and what is actually going on with their use of > > > computers differs widely. > > > > Really. Tell me. In your vast experience, have you ever told a PC user > > that he should stick with a PC? > > Yes. Why....and how often?? > > > I'm not making this stuff up, Greg: people *literally* say that they > > > couldn't get why it would make such a difference, but that they were > > > completely wrong and it *does*. I've seen it over and over and over > > > again. > > > > Yes. Diesel guys say this about the gassers and vice versa. There are > > people who prefer/ridicule rag boats. Others prefer power. 8 track vs. > > cassette. Dems vs. GOP. Chevy vs. Ford. The list goes on and on. > > It does. But it doesn't mean that it is always irrelevant. The testimonials are not irrelevent. But....they need to be ascertained within context. Humans are ingrained with a natural tendency to believe that their views, their race, their country, their stuff is superior to others. Some realize this and become open to other POV's and experience. Other's remain closed, deluding themselves with their "superior" intelligence and experience. > > > > Ever consider this factor with your "testimonials?" Most people put > > thought > > > > into large dollar purchases. Therefore, if they choose a Mac and then > > > > determine it's equivalent or slightly superior to a PC, are they going > > to > > > > admit it? Quietly perhaps. That leaves the loud ones who require > > > > affirmation. They will tout their purchase to the nth degree, just to > > > > stroke their own ego and diminish their nagging doubts. I've seen it > > happen > > > > with cars, boats, golf clubs, etc. My toy is better than yours, only > > > > because I own it. > > > > > > There is undoubtedly some of that, but look at the preponderance of > > > people who report after the switch that the Mac *is* that much better > > > than using Windows. I dispute the "much better." To hear you wax on, you'd have us believe that a PC is a Yugo, while you, the enlightened one, are driving an Accura. In the real world, it's Chevy vs. Ford, with variable needs, mileage, and experience. If PC's were Yugos, MS would have been bankrupted years ago. Consumers are not stupid. > > Of course they do. Are they going to chuck their $1200 Mac into the can and > > revert back to a PC? No....they will adapt and affirm their purchase. A > > few become McSnobs. > > You just completely ignored what I said. I put it in context.... > > > So he tried it for a month, and then went out and spent the money. > > > > But in your "world", nobody tries a Mac for a month and decide otherwise. > > Not nobody. Very few. He tried it for a month, and then bought one to > make the switch permanent. > > > Wait a second. BK and Mike have tried Macs.....but their ignorant > > experience don't count, do they?? > > Both say they've tried them for a few minutes at a time. Not for a month. > > > > > Dem Dumbasses! That is not what they said. > > > And read the comments. I could literally spend the next couple of hours > > > copying and pasting, but here are a few right off the top. > > > > The point is that you could post testimonies about Hyundai and Chevy's and > > Renaults. It still doesn't mean, in of themselves, that a particular > > product is more suitable than another. > > It might on an open website where you can hardly find a dissenting > comment. > > This wasn't testimonials on a Mac forum, Greg. Context and paradigm, Alan. I appreciate that you are actually making a stand on something instead of your nit picking trolling M.O., but you need to get off your high horse. -Greg |