From: R&B on
On 2010-08-05 21:04:47 -0400, bknight(a)conramp.net said:

> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:31:20 -0400, "R&B"
> <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> What attitude?
>>
>> My attitude is directed at Microsoft and Windows.
>
>
> For Christ's sake Randy. It had nothing to do with your opinions
> about MS and Mac, but denigrating mine as if I was a recalcitrant
> student.
>>
>> I mean, do we have to take a poll to find out how many here believe
>> that you "take umbrage" whenever someone disagrees with you? This
>> isn't a new phenomenon.
>
> I was wrong. You're just as stubborn as Baker. You couldn't disagree
> with me about MS, you only disagreed that I knew what was best for me.
>>
>> I love ya, Bobby, but honestly, you'd have to read something into my
>> comments that just wasn't there to come away with the belief that I was
>> attacking YOU. My expressed opinions in this thread have been about
>> Microsoft and Windows, and what I perceive to be their inherant
>> inferiority to Apple and OS X. I'm not alone in that view.
>
> I have no problem with those views. Maybe you didn't intend to come
> off as telling me that I was stupid, but that is damned sure what I
> read. Incidentally, I'm not alone in the view that MS is the better
> way for me. Others feel that too.
>>
>> You can huff and puff all you want, but it's not going to change my
>> views. I've already been dragged over the hot coals as a Windows user,
>> so I know what it offers.
>>
> There isn't one instance where I attempted to change your views, but
> you sure let me know that they trumped mine on what I wanted to use.
>
>> You, on the outher hand, refuse to even try a Mac. Fine. That's your
>> perogative. But judging Mac from the vantage point of someone who
>> refuses to use one does not provide you with the most knowledgable
>> perspective on the subject.
>
> Now that's telling. You obviously DIDN'T read my responses. I have
> tried Macs and said so on a couple of occasions today. I guess you
> didn't care enough to take a break from telling me how dumb I am to
> even read what I said.
>
> I thought I'd try to clear this up with you, but it seems that I can't
> get through.
>
> As far as I'm concerned this matter is closed with you as well as
> Alan. Maybe some day I'll understand what owning a Mac does to
> people's psyche.
>
> BK


The harshness of this response (especially given what has preceded it)
does not suggest that you are in the best position to judge other
people's psyche.

Sheesh.

Just breathtaking.

Randy

From: BAR on
In article <5bmm56pde79qr2d1fvu3k3cccedv9p35ml(a)4ax.com>,
howard(a)brazee.net says...
>
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:59:41 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> >It has nothing to do with moving forward or being backwards. It just
> >took Apple longer to realize the superiority and supremacy of the Intel
> >chipset.
>
> It took a while for Intel to become superior. But it had the money
> to keep improving.

Motorola never had a chance once MS released Windows. Market share,
market share and market share. Just like IE, Mosaic/Netscape never had a
chance once MS started to distribute IE with Windows. And, then once it
was an integral part of the the UI Netscape was deade as a customer
facing product.


From: BAR on
In article <85km56dcjeh66j8057dgr18mrfc4j799bo(a)4ax.com>,
bknight(a)conramp.net says...
>
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:55:29 -0400, "R&B"
> <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I did nothing to provoke this. Unless you consider it a personal
> >attack on YOU for someone to express their legitimate negative reviews
> >of Microsoft and Windows.
> >
> >What's up with that, Bobby? Why the thin skin?
> >
> >Randy
>
> I'll try once more with you. Alan just won't understand.
>
> Your posts regarding my choice of equipment, and what I know about it
> were demeaning. You went way above just expressing your opinion. You,
> and later Alan, treated my opinions as a less than reasonable, more
> like stupidity, when I expressed my experiences and choices. I have
> my preferences, and that should be enough.
>
> I know that you have a propensity to overstate your views, but
> I took umbrage at this attitude regarding mine.

Welcome to the club Bobby.
From: MNMikeW on

"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wclark2-403A8C.18160305082010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <fn4m56lslhhgagjb68muo9hdu8dklvk1ru(a)4ax.com>,
> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:15:03 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <ag2m569t776q5ai8ivtm2klkp2on472sa8(a)4ax.com>,
>> > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote:
>>
>> >> No, but the haughty, high and mighty, insinuation that someone is less
>> >> knowledgeable because they don't agree with you is hubris. Your
>> >> belief that something is better doesn't make it so for others.
>> >
>> >I don't think you are less knowledgeable simply because you don't agree,
>> >Bobby. I've seen this same pattern played out many many times. At least
>> >allow for the possibility that someone who has made his living selling
>> >Macs (and for a short while, PCs), and later supporting Macs (and
>> >Windows!) might know something about the situation you don't.
>>
>> It doesn't matter Alan, my experience is enough for me to know what I
>> want. I've had Mac users insist that I try their machines out. They
>> didn't change my mind.
>>
>> You should've highlighted the word *might*. '
>> BK
>
> Doesn't it scare you, though, that you are in the same camp as BAR,
> MnMike, and Moderate on this?
>
> Ouch ;-)

And you're in the same camp as Alan. Congrats.


From: MNMikeW on

"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wclark2-05DF22.18174005082010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <8c0j1qFq4gU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-17C339.12433805082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> > In article <8c0ienFmd9U1(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:alangbaker-A4BEFD.12294805082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> >> > In article <8c0hkoFhamU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:alangbaker-94E029.12122705082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> >> >> > In article <8c0g4vF7nnU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
>> >> >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:alangbaker-CF4A75.11411205082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>> >> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> >> > <359f5904-0e83-47ec-a50c-486dc5e6e0bf(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> >> > Paula <semendfw(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:57:51 -0400, William Clark
>> >> >> >> >> > <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > >In article <f4nl56d3bt6b4iqvl5jv675n7tjqhijjpe(a)4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > >> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:29:06 -0400, "R&B"
>> >> >> >> >> > >> <none_of_your_business(a)all.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >Because when new ones come out, people want the new
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >stuff
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >that
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >comes
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >with 'em...instead of sticking with old technology.
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >Randy
>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > >> You can rant, and tout, all you want, but for the
>> >> >> >> >> > >> casual
>> >> >> >> >> > >> user,
>> >> >> >> >> > >> which
>> >> >> >> >> > >> is the vast majority, PCs work just fine, and the hubris
>> >> >> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> >> >> > >> Mac
>> >> >> >> >> > >> users
>> >> >> >> >> > >> is a turn-off.
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > >No disagreement there. Each to his own.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > That has been my position from the beginning, and I don't
>> >> >> >> >> > take
>> >> >> >> >> > kindly
>> >> >> >> >> > to anyone suggesting that I lied when I say that I've never
>> >> >> >> >> > had a
>> >> >> >> >> > blue
>> >> >> >> >> > screen I haven't.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I'm perfectly happy with PCS and don't need the snobbery
>> >> >> >> >> > from
>> >> >> >> >> > some
>> >> >> >> >> > Mac
>> >> >> >> >> > users.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > BK
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I know a lot of people that have Macs. They are not snobs.
>> >> >> >> >> What a
>> >> >> >> >> silly statment.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Just because someone prefers one OS over another, does that
>> >> >> >> >> make
>> >> >> >> >> them
>> >> >> >> >> a snob?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > And recognizing something is better isn't hubris.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Better for you is not necessarily better for somebody else. I
>> >> >> >> use
>> >> >> >> both
>> >> >> >> everyday, I like PCs better.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Really? What do you do for a living that has you using both
>> >> >> > *every*
>> >> >> > day,
>> >> >> > and what is the ratio of usage?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Been in the computer biz since 1984. Worked on them all,
>> >> >> mainframes,Iseries,Unix,Linux,PCs, ect. MS certified in
>> >> >> NT,2000,2003,almost
>> >> >> done with 2008. We typically use the Macs for QA work on our
>> >> >> desktop
>> >> >> apps
>> >> >> since we support that as well. We use the PCs far more than the
>> >> >> macs.
>> >> >> And
>> >> >> I'm by no means a Mac expert. In fact, we've automated most of the
>> >> >> testing
>> >> >> with Java so we don't even actually have to touch the Macs now. ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > So what you're saying is that your initial statement was actually a
>> >> > lie,
>> >> > wasn't it?
>> >>
>> >> Not at all retard.
>> >
>> > Really?
>> >
>> > "I use both" followed by "we don't even actually have to touch the Macs
>> > now".
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Your actual use of the interface is nil and therefore you cannot
>> >> > know
>> >> > whether you'd actually prefer it if you used it for long enough to
>> >> > actually know your way around it as opposed to using it for a few
>> >> > minutes here and there (which you might have done at one point).
>> >> >
>> >> I used the interface enough to know I like PCs better. They weren't
>> >> always
>> >> automated.
>> >
>> > When was the last time? Ho long at any one sitting did you use it?
>> >
>> Monday I suppose. And I used it long enough to get the tests running. I
>> play
>> around on a friends G-something from time to time. It's ok for web stuff.
>> In
>> the business apps world, its a PC world, we don't have a lot of demand to
>> support Macs except for our web/desktop based apps.
>>
>> You like ur macs, fine. I like my Pcs. Are Macs better at some things,
>> sure.
>> And PCs are better at some things.
>
> I assume you have zero acquaintance with image and video processing,
> then.

Nope. And if I did I would probably have a Mac.


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