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From: Tom Yost on 12 Apr 2010 20:19
Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> wrote in
news:cci6s51tcr7ul8nug6gk91amddra9d3pnn(a)4ax.com:

> johnty <johnty1(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11 Apr, 23:57, Bob <rgs...(a)notme.invalid> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Not a golfer, but I enjoy watching a bit sometimes.
>>>
>>> Question: �Saw Mickelson putting today, where his putt hit a golf
ball
>>> marker, and angled off. �Undoubtedly cost him a stroke.
>>>
>>> Why wasn't it removed by whoever placed it there ?
>>> Isn't it there responsibility to do so ?
>>>
>>> Why didn't Mickelson remove it ?
>>> He's allowed to, isn't he according to the rules ?
>>>
>>
>>
>>It wasn't a ball marker, it was a loose impediment. Nevertheless,
>>impediment or obstruction it's the same outcome - he could have been
>>removed it if he wished but if a ball deflects off it, play it as it
>>lies.
>
> My son saw it and asked about it... he replayed it a couple of times
> and I think this is what happened.
>
> When the impediment appeared, he had not started his stroke, However,
> he HAD actually addressed the ball. Once you've done that, you must
> continue the stroke to avoid a penalty. That's how I saw it... he had
> no other choice but to putt and pray!
> --

Don't think that is accurate. You may address the ball and then step
away. You may in fact, stop the stroke mid swing. A stroke requires
intent to hit the ball. In that case, fellow competitors may appeal to
the first base ump (third base ump in Mickelson's case). :-)


From: johnty on 13 Apr 2010 04:17
On 12 Apr, 20:19, Loudon Briggs <lar...(a)bbz.net> wrote:


>
> My son saw it and asked about it... he replayed it a couple of times
> and I think this is what happened.
>
> When the impediment appeared, he had not started his stroke, However,
> he HAD actually addressed the ball. Once you've done that, you must
> continue the stroke to avoid a penalty.

That is totally wrong.

But back to the stroke, the LI appeared just a moment before the
stroke, so I guess PM was looking down at his ball at the time and did
not see it. Surely, if he had spotted it he would have stepped away.


From: nielloeb on 13 Apr 2010 14:21
And, as to your question, had it been a marker, it is the
responsibility of the person putting to ask that a marker be moved.
Had Mickelson not asked for that, it would either have been because he
didn't think he would hit it and then mishit his putt badly or it
would have been a mental lapse similar to what happened to Tiger when
he didn't line up a short putt near the end of his last round at
Augusta this year and therefore missed it.
From: John van der Pflum on 13 Apr 2010 17:48
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:17:03 -0700 (PDT), johnty <johnty1(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 12 Apr, 20:19, Loudon Briggs <lar...(a)bbz.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> My son saw it and asked about it... he replayed it a couple of times
>> and I think this is what happened.
>>
>> When the impediment appeared, he had not started his stroke, However,
>> he HAD actually addressed the ball. Once you've done that, you must
>> continue the stroke to avoid a penalty.
>
>That is totally wrong.
>
>But back to the stroke, the LI appeared just a moment before the
>stroke, so I guess PM was looking down at his ball at the time and did
>not see it. Surely, if he had spotted it he would have stepped away.

I guess Bones wasn't paying attention. He could have interrupted Phil
and removed the LI.
--
jvdp
Hey Annika, you'll never hold these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/

http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
From: Alan Baker on 13 Apr 2010 19:27
In article <cci6s51tcr7ul8nug6gk91amddra9d3pnn(a)4ax.com>,
Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net> wrote:

> johnty <johnty1(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 11 Apr, 23:57, Bob <rgs...(a)notme.invalid> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Not a golfer, but I enjoy watching a bit sometimes.
> >>
> >> Question: �Saw Mickelson putting today, where his putt hit a golf ball
> >> marker, and angled off. �Undoubtedly cost him a stroke.
> >>
> >> Why wasn't it removed by whoever placed it there ?
> >> Isn't it there responsibility to do so ?
> >>
> >> Why didn't Mickelson remove it ?
> >> He's allowed to, isn't he according to the rules ?
> >>
> >
> >
> >It wasn't a ball marker, it was a loose impediment. Nevertheless,
> >impediment or obstruction it's the same outcome - he could have been
> >removed it if he wished but if a ball deflects off it, play it as it
> >lies.
>
> My son saw it and asked about it... he replayed it a couple of times
> and I think this is what happened.
>
> When the impediment appeared, he had not started his stroke, However,
> he HAD actually addressed the ball. Once you've done that, you must
> continue the stroke to avoid a penalty. That's how I saw it... he had
> no other choice but to putt and pray!

Sorry, but that's incorrect.

You can stop after addressing the ball, you can even stop your swing in
its forward motion.

Think of the times that Tiger has stopped his swing when something has
broken his concentration.

You can even swing forward right over the ball provided you no longer
had the intention to hit the ball when you did it.

However, if you have addressed the ball (taken your stance *and*
grounded the club, or in a hazard, just taken your stance) and then the
ball moves, you are deemed to have moved the ball and you take a penalty
stroke and the ball must be replaced.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
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