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From: Dinosaur_Sr on 30 Sep 2009 18:06 On Sep 29, 8:07 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote in message > > news:4f095c1d-230e-4eaa-8787-f4c027e41939(a)d21g2000vbm.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 22, 7:43 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> To cut to the chase ... I think it is wishful > > >> thinking to believe that the current insurance > > >> companies are going to treat you fairly. > > >> If they wanted to be up front about what > > >> they do and do not cover there would be > > >> a list. > > > > Coverage is defined and exceptions listed in every insurance policy. > > > How come there are lawsuits, won by individuals, who claim > > that they should have been covered and weren't? ... broad terms > > like "experimental" are used to deny common sense procedures ... > > procrastinating payment until the policyholder is dead ... > > Do insurance companies insist that the details of their lost > > cases not be revealed? Is there a list of what cases have been > > filed and the verdicts and the outcomes for the families? > > > How can a doctor who worked for a large insurace company > > testify before congress that she deliberately denied care to > > people who deserved it, causing death, and was promoted by > > the insurance company? > > > Obviously coverage and exceptions are listed in a way that > > allows for cheating and the effectual murdering of people > > who have trusted and continue to trust that they will be > > covered by their insurance company in a catastrophic illness. > > > How many people died and will die as a result of Madoff's > > fraud that stole money from charities? I wonder how it compares > > to insurance company greed to the point of people suffering and > > dying as a result. Has everyone forgotten the documented court > > cases of abuse by health insurance companies? > > Even if this is somehow widespread, which I doubt, how is setting up a > govt plan, who you cannot suue (sic), going to solve the problem? > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > I'm promoting regulation of Walstreet, not health > care, right now. I hate Obama's statement about > supporting "creativity on walstreet". Derivatives > and default credit swaps are "creative" walstreet > frauds. > > Rush Limbaugh said recently that "This is not a zero > sum game ... " a phrase used a lot during NAFTA. It > is supposed to mean that just because the rich are > getting rich at an alarming rate, it doesn't mean that > they are taking it from the middle and lower class. > ... that wealth is being created ... > > Well, apparently it is not a zero sum game because > money can just disappear. I'd like to know where > the trillions of dollars went that had to be replaced > by the bailout. We can even find out who owned what . > Things bundled and sold to anonymous companies who > rebundled, insured and reinsured their fraudulent > bookeeping ... Can you imagine an IRS auditor accepting > that you don't know where your money went and the > bookeeping is so complicated that no one can figure it out? I agree with most of you say. The only regulation we need on Wall St is no bailouts. They players get the money when they win, and they should be the ones to lose it when they lose. No way they should get the money both ways, as bailouts facilitate.
From: bknight on 30 Sep 2009 19:17 On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >On Sep 29, 8:11�pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote in message >> >> I do not doubt your statement, even a little. But, >> let me ask you what seems like an irrelevent >> question. Did you see the movie, "Erin Brokovich"? >> Do you think it was made up? Do you think that >> PG&E is morally guilty of murder? ... those who >> approved of PG&E's actions and knew the consequences? > >It's a movie; it's fake for sure. How much of the fiction is based on >actual incidents? I have no idea at all. What a revelation. You very seldom have any idea of truth. Why do you continually make brash statements without even checking the facts? Try reading this if you think the movie wasn't factual: http://www.lawbuzz.com/famous_trials/erin_brockovich/erin_brockovich_ch1.htm BK
From: Jack Hollis on 30 Sep 2009 20:16 On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:29:39 -0700 (PDT), benvhoff <benvhoff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >"Fumento cites William Blot, a paid expert for PG&E, who has earned >as >much as $400 an hour testifying on behalf of the utility ... PG&E >funded >the study ... these (studies) are vastly are vastly outnumbered in >scientific >literature by animal studies that positively establish the compound's >toxicity... " > >http://www.fumento.com/brocklett.html > >Do you discount Union Carbide's responsibility for the death >and suffering of thousands of people in India, also? The fact is there is absolutely no evidence that PG&E's activities harmed anyone. The epidemiological evidence, which is the best way to determine these things, shows no increase in cancer rates for the population in the area. If you have some studies that contradict this, then I'd like to see them. Bhopal, on the other hand, is a different story. This was a joint venture of Union Carbide and the Indian Government gone bad. I would say that if anything like this happened in the US that people would end up in jail for criminal negligence. Of course, because the Indian Government was half owner, the consequences were no as severe. Corporations and businesses do hurt people and deserve to be held criminally liable, However, PG&E did not do any such thing. The bad guys in this case were the lawyers and EB, who probably originally had no idea that she was being used. Fact is, the lawyers don't care if PG&E did anything wrong or not. They just want to extort money from them if they can. Sad thing is that the people who paid the $330 million were PS&G's customers.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 30 Sep 2009 20:57 On Sep 30, 6:17 pm, bkni...(a)onramp.net wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >On Sep 29, 8:11 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote in message > > >> I do not doubt your statement, even a little. But, > >> let me ask you what seems like an irrelevent > >> question. Did you see the movie, "Erin Brokovich"? > >> Do you think it was made up? Do you think that > >> PG&E is morally guilty of murder? ... those who > >> approved of PG&E's actions and knew the consequences? > > >It's a movie; it's fake for sure. How much of the fiction is based on > >actual incidents? I have no idea at all. > > What a revelation. You very seldom have any idea of truth. > Why do you continually make brash statements without even checking the > facts? > > Try reading this if you think the movie wasn't factual: > > http://www.lawbuzz.com/famous_trials/erin_brockovich/erin_brockovich_... > > BK Movies are all fake. The people in them are acting. You know this. Again, how real the basis of the libretto is...well that is debatable..you and Jack Hollis see it differently, for example. Not much sense in basing your perception of reality on movies.
From: Alan Baker on 30 Sep 2009 22:13
In article <nfs7c5tot1pvgtd4pm44pr3da5r4kli9a6(a)4ax.com>, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:29:39 -0700 (PDT), benvhoff > <benvhoff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >"Fumento cites William Blot, a paid expert for PG&E, who has earned > >as > >much as $400 an hour testifying on behalf of the utility ... PG&E > >funded > >the study ... these (studies) are vastly are vastly outnumbered in > >scientific > >literature by animal studies that positively establish the compound's > >toxicity... " > > > >http://www.fumento.com/brocklett.html > > > >Do you discount Union Carbide's responsibility for the death > >and suffering of thousands of people in India, also? > > The fact is there is absolutely no evidence that PG&E's activities > harmed anyone. The epidemiological evidence, which is the best way to > determine these things, shows no increase in cancer rates for the > population in the area. If you have some studies that contradict > this, then I'd like to see them. Jack Hollis: the expert on everything! > > Bhopal, on the other hand, is a different story. This was a joint > venture of Union Carbide and the Indian Government gone bad. I would > say that if anything like this happened in the US that people would > end up in jail for criminal negligence. Of course, because the Indian > Government was half owner, the consequences were no as severe. > > Corporations and businesses do hurt people and deserve to be held > criminally liable, However, PG&E did not do any such thing. The bad > guys in this case were the lawyers and EB, who probably originally had > no idea that she was being used. Fact is, the lawyers don't care if > PG&E did anything wrong or not. They just want to extort money from > them if they can. Sad thing is that the people who paid the $330 > million were PS&G's customers. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |