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From: dene on 1 Oct 2009 00:30 "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote in message news:fefdaade-8962-4847-a0d1-332a69d4440a(a)w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... On Sep 30, 6:17 pm, bkni...(a)onramp.net wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >On Sep 29, 8:11 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote in message > > >> I do not doubt your statement, even a little. But, > >> let me ask you what seems like an irrelevent > >> question. Did you see the movie, "Erin Brokovich"? > >> Do you think it was made up? Do you think that > >> PG&E is morally guilty of murder? ... those who > >> approved of PG&E's actions and knew the consequences? > > >It's a movie; it's fake for sure. How much of the fiction is based on > >actual incidents? I have no idea at all. > > What a revelation. You very seldom have any idea of truth. > Why do you continually make brash statements without even checking the > facts? > > Try reading this if you think the movie wasn't factual: > > http://www.lawbuzz.com/famous_trials/erin_brockovich/erin_brockovich_... > > BK Movies are all fake. The people in them are acting. You know this. Again, how real the basis of the libretto is...well that is debatable..you and Jack Hollis see it differently, for example. Not much sense in basing your perception of reality on movies. --------------------------------------------- Knit's perception, his existence, is based on the internet. -Greg
From: gray asphalt on 1 Oct 2009 03:03 "The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message news:4ac3555d$0$23738$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > > "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:m2ywm.236987$0e4.144276(a)newsfe19.iad... >> >> "The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message >> news:4aba2934$0$23766$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... >>> >>> "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:Naeum.49208$JG1.39006(a)newsfe24.iad... >>>> >>>> >>>>>> To cut to the chase ... I think it is wishful >>>>>> thinking to believe that the current insurance >>>>>> companies are going to treat you fairly. >>>>>> If they wanted to be up front about what >>>>>> they do and do not cover there would be >>>>>> a list. >>>>> >>>>> Coverage is defined and exceptions listed in every insurance policy. >>>> >>>> How come there are lawsuits, won by individuals, who claim >>>> that they should have been covered and weren't? ... broad terms >>>> like "experimental" are used to deny common sense procedures ... >>>> procrastinating payment until the policyholder is dead ... >>>> Do insurance companies insist that the details of their lost >>>> cases not be revealed? Is there a list of what cases have been >>>> filed and the verdicts and the outcomes for the families? >>> >>> Do you have any examples? Specifics? >>> >>> What about those ads on television from lawyers looking for clients to >>> sue for health claims? Don't you think we could reduce insurance costs >>> if we had some tort reform to limit how these shysters make money >>> recruiting "victims?" >> >> Are you saying that you doubt that insurance companies >> intentionally deny legitimate claims, with the outcome >> of death and delayed treatment causing permanent injury? >> >> Did you see the Dr. who testified before congress that did >> exactly that and was promoted because she was considered >> a company man? She admitted to murder on CSPAN, imo. > > No, I am saying if lawyers are recruiting victims, do you think they are > doing it to help the victims or increase the overall settlement? The > lawyers are getting a percentage. The more people the higher their take. > Do you think the lawyers are investigating every victim's claim? It occurs to me that anyone wanting to give poor care to the elderly to save money will be quite happy to disable lawyers to the point where they, nursing homes, hospitals, doctors will not be held accountable for their mistakes and their decisions to end life earlier than it needs to be ... especially insurance companies who have to pay for very expensive end of life procedures. I'm worried about HIPPA laws that try to "keep the confidentiality of patients", even after they are dead. There should be a very prominent opt out of HIPPA privacy measures for the patients and their families. This privacy dodge is used to keep the death of children in foster care from being investigated "for the privacy of the child". One ploy is almost funny ... when government agencies say that they can't talk about their meetings with their lawyers because of lawyer/client privilege. That's like saying a patient can't talk about his doctor's appointment because of the Dr/patient privilege.
From: gray asphalt on 1 Oct 2009 03:48 Erin Brockovich Corrected link: http://www.lawbuzz.com/famous_trials/erin_brockovich/erin_brockovich_ch1.htm > http://www.lawbuzz.com/famous_trials/erin_brockovich/erin_brockovich_... > > BK Movies are all fake. The people in them are acting. You know this. Again, how real the basis of the libretto is...well that is debatable..you and Jack Hollis see it differently, for example. Not much sense in basing your perception of reality on movies.
From: The moderator on 1 Oct 2009 08:11 "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:mvYwm.28548$bP1.23851(a)newsfe24.iad... > > "The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message > news:4ac3555d$0$23738$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... >> >> "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:m2ywm.236987$0e4.144276(a)newsfe19.iad... >>> >>> Are you saying that you doubt that insurance companies >>> intentionally deny legitimate claims, with the outcome >>> of death and delayed treatment causing permanent injury? >>> >>> Did you see the Dr. who testified before congress that did >>> exactly that and was promoted because she was considered >>> a company man? She admitted to murder on CSPAN, imo. >> >> No, I am saying if lawyers are recruiting victims, do you think they are >> doing it to help the victims or increase the overall settlement? The >> lawyers are getting a percentage. The more people the higher their take. >> Do you think the lawyers are investigating every victim's claim? > > It occurs to me that anyone wanting to give poor care > to the elderly to save money will be quite happy to > disable lawyers to the point where they, nursing homes, > hospitals, doctors will not be held accountable for > their mistakes and their decisions to end life earlier > than it needs to be ... especially insurance companies > who have to pay for very expensive end of life procedures. Why would that occur to you? That has nothing to do with tort reform.
From: bknight on 1 Oct 2009 08:20
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:48:53 -0700, "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Erin Brockovich >Corrected link: > >http://www.lawbuzz.com/famous_trials/erin_brockovich/erin_brockovich_ch1.htm > >> http://www.lawbuzz.com/famous_trials/erin_brockovich/erin_brockovich_... >> >> BK > >Movies are all fake. The people in them are acting. You know this. I hope this isn't directed to me, since I'm not defending the movie. >Again, how real the basis of the libretto is...well that is >debatable..you and Jack Hollis see it differently, for example. Not >much sense in basing your perception of reality on movies. > The facts are facts. I haven't given an opinion on the outcome of the trial, just pointed that it was a factual basis for the movie. BK |