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From: BAR on 9 Sep 2009 22:57 Howard Brazee wrote: > On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > >> Not necessarily. In some cases yes, in others no. A real reform would >> be to just facilitate the big ticket items through insurance, and not >> force people to pay for routine things through "insurance". You can >> pay for those things yourself! > > When someone fails to have medical maintenance, we often end up paying > far more later. It's not obvious to me that your proposal will be a > net gain or a net loss to our wallets. Liberty. What right do you have to compel someone to under go a medical procedure they do not want?
From: Alan Baker on 10 Sep 2009 00:42 In article <K2Wpm.122739$nL7.75473(a)newsfe18.iad>, "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:llsca598ctbve42qflm88uroh0t2hlat8e(a)4ax.com... > > On 08 Sep 2009 06:27:14 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > >>On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:49:10 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote: > >>> On 07 Sep 2009 16:21:09 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> If everyone in the US has access to the world's best healthcare, why > >>>> is the average life expectancy so much lower than Canada's? Hmmm? > >>> > >>> Life expectancy is a lifestyle issue. You can have the best health > >>> care but if most the population have unhealthy lifestyles, that's not > >>> the fault of health care. My doctor tells me to lose weight and stop > >>> smoking cigars every time I see her. I admire her persistence. > >> > >>Uh huh. You're actually suggesting that lifestyle differences between > >>the US and Canada are so radically different that they alone account the > >>dramatic difference in life expectancy? Because that seems like quite a > >>stretch in a continent with similar language, culture, diet, etc. > >>Especially when all you offer in support is bullshit anecdotal evidence. > > > > 2003 figures > > > > Obesity Rate (Male) US 31.1 % Canada 17.0 % > > Obesity Rate (Female) US 32.2 % Canada 19.0 % > > > > http://healthcare-economist.com/2007/10/02/health-care-system-grudge-match-c > > anada-vs-us/ > > > > > > Any more questions? > > > > You're not doing too well with this one. May I suggest infant > > mortality rate? > > Ok, how come the infant mortality rate is lower in > Cuba than the US? (Is it still? anyway) Ummm... In Cuba, who exactly is providing the stats? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 10 Sep 2009 00:44 In article <4LGdnQusqJFTyzXXnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > William Clark wrote: > > In article <l5uca5d39v9sqb069e2dkooaruvri6es2i(a)4ax.com>, > > Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> On 08 Sep 2009 06:30:26 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>> His SAT and LSAT scores would be very interesting. You can get a > >>>> pretty good idea of IQ from both of those scores. I wonder why he > >>>> hasn't released them. > >>> For the same reason that he didn't release his birth certificate to > >>> those birther loons: there is no upside to pandering to retards. > >> Actually he did release his birth certificate. > > > > It is in the public records. He didn't have to "release" anything. > > He did not release a copy of his original birth certificate that was > issued at the time of his birth. There is a difference. He released the only copy of his birth certificate that the State of Hawaii issues. There is no difference between his birth certificate from the state and anyone else's... ....but you knew that. Only your ideology made you spin it. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: gray asphalt on 10 Sep 2009 03:36 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-0B893B.21425609092009(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <K2Wpm.122739$nL7.75473(a)newsfe18.iad>, > "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:llsca598ctbve42qflm88uroh0t2hlat8e(a)4ax.com... >> > On 08 Sep 2009 06:27:14 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >>On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:49:10 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote: >> >>> On 07 Sep 2009 16:21:09 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> If everyone in the US has access to the world's best healthcare, why >> >>>> is the average life expectancy so much lower than Canada's? Hmmm? >> >>> >> >>> Life expectancy is a lifestyle issue. You can have the best health >> >>> care but if most the population have unhealthy lifestyles, that's not >> >>> the fault of health care. My doctor tells me to lose weight and stop >> >>> smoking cigars every time I see her. I admire her persistence. >> >> >> >>Uh huh. You're actually suggesting that lifestyle differences between >> >>the US and Canada are so radically different that they alone account >> >>the >> >>dramatic difference in life expectancy? Because that seems like quite a >> >>stretch in a continent with similar language, culture, diet, etc. >> >>Especially when all you offer in support is bullshit anecdotal >> >>evidence. >> > >> > 2003 figures >> > >> > Obesity Rate (Male) US 31.1 % Canada 17.0 % >> > Obesity Rate (Female) US 32.2 % Canada 19.0 % >> > >> > http://healthcare-economist.com/2007/10/02/health-care-system-grudge-match-c >> > anada-vs-us/ >> > >> > >> > Any more questions? >> > >> > You're not doing too well with this one. May I suggest infant >> > mortality rate? >> >> Ok, how come the infant mortality rate is lower in >> Cuba than the US? (Is it still? anyway) > > Ummm... > > In Cuba, who exactly is providing the stats? > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> Who would have to be for you to accept them?
From: Howard Brazee on 10 Sep 2009 07:56
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:57:15 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: >>> Not necessarily. In some cases yes, in others no. A real reform would >>> be to just facilitate the big ticket items through insurance, and not >>> force people to pay for routine things through "insurance". You can >>> pay for those things yourself! >> >> When someone fails to have medical maintenance, we often end up paying >> far more later. It's not obvious to me that your proposal will be a >> net gain or a net loss to our wallets. > >Liberty. > >What right do you have to compel someone to under go a medical procedure >they do not want? Where did you get to that? "Free" stuff is used more than expensive stuff, which doesn't mean we mandate it. My question remains - which is cheaper for us, to pay for medical maintenance or to wait until the procedures are more expensive? I don't know the answer. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |