From: BAR on
Jack Hollis wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:47:27 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote:
>
>> Wrong. Obama has not released a copy of his birth certificate that was
>> issued at the time of his birth. McCain and Palin lost the election and
>> are not the President or Vice-President.
>
> I'm not sure how it became public but records of the evaluation McCain
> received after his release from the POW camp are known. His score, a
> very superior 133. Not quite Mensa material, but close.

McCain barely managed to graduate from the Naval Academy. McCain's class
standing was 895 out of 899. And he still managed to get jets. It helps
when your daddy is a 4 star admiral.
From: Carbon on
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:52:53 -0400, BAR wrote:
>
> McCain barely managed to graduate from the Naval Academy. McCain's
> class standing was 895 out of 899. And he still managed to get jets.
> It helps when your daddy is a 4 star admiral.

Or a senator.
From: Jack Hollis on
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:14:10 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote:

>In article <ijpla5lo3hhrobi9mjhuf2f1jlg7p8bsr9(a)4ax.com>,
> Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:47:27 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote:
>>
>> >Wrong. Obama has not released a copy of his birth certificate that was
>> >issued at the time of his birth. McCain and Palin lost the election and
>> >are not the President or Vice-President.
>>
>> I'm not sure how it became public but records of the evaluation McCain
>> received after his release from the POW camp are known. His score, a
>> very superior 133. Not quite Mensa material, but close.
>
>I don't remember anyone saying that McCain was stupid. Old and senile
>possibly?? :)


If you stay active in your old age you can still cogitate quite well.
BTW, JFK took a Otis IQ test as part of his high school admission and
scored a rather modest 119.

I guess the question is do you really have to be very smart to be a
good President? Although I've never been able to find any objective
measures, Jimmy Carter is reported to be very smart. He was training
to be nuclear engineering officer when he left the Navy. For the most
part, nuclear engineers are pretty smart. Smart or not, Carter wasn't
a very successful President. However, I have to admit that he had a
lot of bad luck as well.
From: Lloyd Parsons on
In article <iaona5d4p8hao3iakooafi8q28thul8uvg(a)4ax.com>,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:14:10 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <ijpla5lo3hhrobi9mjhuf2f1jlg7p8bsr9(a)4ax.com>,
> > Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:47:27 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Wrong. Obama has not released a copy of his birth certificate that was
> >> >issued at the time of his birth. McCain and Palin lost the election and
> >> >are not the President or Vice-President.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure how it became public but records of the evaluation McCain
> >> received after his release from the POW camp are known. His score, a
> >> very superior 133. Not quite Mensa material, but close.
> >
> >I don't remember anyone saying that McCain was stupid. Old and senile
> >possibly?? :)
>
>
> If you stay active in your old age you can still cogitate quite well.
> BTW, JFK took a Otis IQ test as part of his high school admission and
> scored a rather modest 119.
>
> I guess the question is do you really have to be very smart to be a
> good President? Although I've never been able to find any objective
> measures, Jimmy Carter is reported to be very smart. He was training
> to be nuclear engineering officer when he left the Navy. For the most
> part, nuclear engineers are pretty smart. Smart or not, Carter wasn't
> a very successful President. However, I have to admit that he had a
> lot of bad luck as well.

My objection to McCain this last time was that his time has come and
gone already. I actually like him, I just don't want him as President.

I don't think that being very smart is all that necessary for a
President, although it shouldn't hurt. More practical knowledge and
good leadership skills would be more important I would think.

Carter was and is pretty darn smart, and probably as close to honest as
a politician can be. But those darn nuke guys are so detail oriented
and channeled that seeing the big picture would be hard.
From: Jack Hollis on
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:52:53 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote:

>Jack Hollis wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:47:27 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wrong. Obama has not released a copy of his birth certificate that was
>>> issued at the time of his birth. McCain and Palin lost the election and
>>> are not the President or Vice-President.
>>
>> I'm not sure how it became public but records of the evaluation McCain
>> received after his release from the POW camp are known. His score, a
>> very superior 133. Not quite Mensa material, but close.
>
>McCain barely managed to graduate from the Naval Academy. McCain's class
>standing was 895 out of 899. And he still managed to get jets. It helps
>when your daddy is a 4 star admiral.


Academic performance is not always a good measure of intelligence.
There are lots of very bright people who fail miserably in school.
Conversely, if you have a really good memory, you can do well in
school despite the fact that you can't put two facts together to come
up with an original idea if your life depended on it.

If there's one thing that the military does well, it's personnel
assessment. Having an influential father will open a lot of doors,
but the Navy's not going to let someone fly a jet fighter if he can't
handle the coursework necessary no matter who his dad is. McCain is
clearly smart enough to fly jets.