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From: Howard Brazee on 13 Sep 2009 17:55 On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:04:20 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >Really?!?! Are they?!?! Seems to me the big problem that they have to >solve with reform is the future cost of medicare. Even Obama says >there is a lot of waste in Medicare...and wants to pull about 600 >billion from current and future medicare liabilities over the next 10 >years to pay for his universal care. If Medicae is so well managed >they wouldn't have those kinds of "inefficiencies"! There's lots of waste in private insurance too. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 13 Sep 2009 17:56 On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:17:04 -0500, Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: >Which is the problem right now. We didn't elect any of them to sit on >their asses and do nothing, and if you think that the reps sitting >around bitching and not really doing anything else is what they should >do, then you have a serious problem. We also didn't elect them to work for their lobbyists. Follow the money. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: William Clark on 9 Sep 2009 08:17 In article <w5edncU81pgSaTvXnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > William Clark wrote: > > In article <avWdnRXtA44cqTvXnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > > BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > > > >> William Clark wrote: > >>> In article <1LCdnfuIP_N85TjXnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > >>> BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> William Clark wrote: > >>>>> In article <2t-dnd7SI-IajDjXnZ2dnUVZ_hdi4p2d(a)giganews.com>, > >>>>> BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> William Clark wrote: > >>>>>>> In article <7gj3dgF2pmajpU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > >>>>>>> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:4aa4523f$0$4954$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:24:04 -0700, dene wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>> news:4aa44eac$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:53:33 -0700, dene wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>> news:4aa3e396$0$4943$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 11:32:46 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06 Sep 2009 14:43:39 GMT, Carbon > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:18:28 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06 Sep 2009 02:38:47 GMT, Carbon > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Canada if you're sick and you need expensive care, you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, period. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canadians get it all right, but not the way they think. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada's health care rationing kills. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spare me the bullshit. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Canadian Supreme Court decision July, 2005. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Delays in the public system are widespread and have serious, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes grave, consequences," wrote Chief Justice Beverley > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> McLachlin and Justice John Major. "Inevitably where patients > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have life-threatening conditions, some will die because of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> undue > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay in awaiting surgery." > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume that this decision came after a long trial with many > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> expert witnesses followed by a period of deliberation. Now if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the greatest legal minds in Canada say that the Canadian > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> health > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> care system results in people unnecessarily dying, then who am > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I, or you for that matter, to disagree. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess things didn't work out on rec.sport.soccer, huh? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nice diversion, Carbs, but why don't you address Jack's cite. > >>>>>>>>>>> I have addressed Jack's bullshit ad nauseum in the past. Done > >>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>> that. > >>>>>>>>>> Then don't criticize what he says. > >>>>>>>>> Why the hell not? He's already worn this newsgroup out. There are > >>>>>>>>> plenty > >>>>>>>>> more. > >>>>>>>> I don't care about other newsgroups. If you want to refute Hollis's > >>>>>>>> views > >>>>>>>> and cites, counter them with your own cites, or perhaps ignore him > >>>>>>>> completely. Trying to toss him from this NG is low class. You are > >>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>> than that. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Greg > >>>>>>> Why don't you ask him about his experience as a "student" at > >>>>>>> Columbia? > >>>>>>> See if that is consistent with his other BS. > >>>>>> Are you asking about Obama's undergraduate transcripts? We would all > >>>>>> like to see them. I'm sure Obama was a charity case when he was > >>>>>> "accepted" at Harvard Law and Obama's undergraduate transcript from > >>>>>> Columbia will provide the proof. > >>>>> Of course you are sure. Your vast experience of the US university > >>>>> system > >>>>> tells you that, doesn't it? Or do you just have a huge chip on your > >>>>> shoulder because Obama go to go to Columbia (unlike Hollis) and > >>>>> Harvard, > >>>>> and you never got to college? > >>>> "becasue Obama go to go to Columbia" what the hell does this mean? > >>>> Doesn't it suck when the apple bites back. > >>> It means because Obama got to go to Columbia, and you didn't. Or > >>> anywhere else. > >> That must be a special form of the Queen's English. > > > > Well, it is no surprise that it is beyond your comprehension skills. > >>>> You still didn't address the issue of Obama's undergraduate performance > >>>> at Columbia. All evidence points to Obama getting into Harvard due to > >>>> who he knew and not what he knew. > >>> "All evidence"? Then I am sure you can produce a cite to "all evidence", > >>> can't you? I look forward to seeing this "evidence", which seems to me > >>> to amount to nothing more than the fact that Obama is black, and > >>> therefore in your mind cannot possibly have the intellectual make up to > >>> get into an Ivy League school. Or is this the second coming of the > >>> birthers? > >> Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white. > > > > Obama is African-American. Get used to it. > > Then I am European-American. > > >>>> Wrong again Billy I attended college. I never received a degree but, I > >>>> attended college. > >>> "Attended" but got no degree? That puts you on an even lower rung than > >>> Palin. She at least got something after six community colleges and small > >>> universities, albeit a degree in communications. Wow. > >> Me and Bill Gates. > > > > Really. > > Neither of us finished college. But Bill Gates got into Harvard to begin with. You?
From: William Clark on 9 Sep 2009 08:32 In article <qgsda59thh0t9c1nct8341gbc57bpsf97n(a)4ax.com>, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:37:59 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > >Plonking Hollis is your prerogative, of course, but I don't see any of these > >behaviors in him. He presents reasonable arguments and citations. What's > >wrong with that? As the leading liberal in this bunch, shouldn't you be the > >most tolerant? > > > >-Greg > > > Carbon seems like a nice fellow and I hope he reconsiders, but he is > getting the short end of the Canada vs, US health care argument. To > tell you the truth, I could do a better job supporting his side than > he's doing, but in the end, the US just has better health care. > > The major problem with US health care is the cost. It's similar to > Cuban cigars. They're the best, no doubt about that, but are they > really worth 3 or 4 times as much as a top quality Dominican? Actually the Cuban cigars are a good analogy to US health care. Cuban cigars are the best, but they are kept unavailable to US citizens for no good reason by a special interest group that wants the market for itself. Just like insurance companies do for the public option in US health care.
From: Lloyd Parsons on 14 Sep 2009 15:42
In article <0jqqa55hl6fhet8bj6n5g4bdmbsartaep9(a)4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:17:04 -0500, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >Which is the problem right now. We didn't elect any of them to sit on > >their asses and do nothing, and if you think that the reps sitting > >around bitching and not really doing anything else is what they should > >do, then you have a serious problem. > > We also didn't elect them to work for their lobbyists. > > Follow the money. Amen to that! And we as voters refuse to do the one and only thing we can to change that, and that is to throw them all out and do it for more than one election. While it wouldn't be a perfect solution, and it does have its shortcomings, it might get their attention and remind them who the real bosses are. But unfortunately, we sheeple will keep re-electing them time after time, always believing that today's BS they are spouting is really real this time... :( |