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From: William Clark on 15 Sep 2009 13:58 In article <8ab1e71e-c5e3-4eba-8275-6af4f35795dc(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Sep 15, 7:29�am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article > > <5afd7a0e-d9ca-46bc-b4ea-8d0ad6086...(a)j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Sep 14, 3:38�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <9a7c191f-1ea8-46fd-9ca1-340f53f8f...(a)k39g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 8, 5:02�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's all pause for a moment while he adjusts that almighty chip on > > > > > > his > > > > > > shoulder. > > > > > > > What is truly absurd is your belief that I have some ship on my > > > > > shoulder here. If you have a problem with what just about everyone in > > > > > this business thinks of deadwood faculty...too bad for you. > > > > > > > In any event, I was just reporting what the guy said...if all you can > > > > > do with a masters degree is get a job that pays $60,000, it's not > > > > > really worth the effort. You have a chip on your shoulder on that, > > > > > tough for you! > > > > > > A "ship" on your shoulder? HMS Clavicle, perhaps? Holy smoke, no wonder > > > > you have a hard time functioning! This sounds like something from > > > > "Monty > > > > Python". > > > > > > But while we are on it, why don't you let us all in on your definition > > > > of "deadwood" faculty"? You seem to like to bandy the term around, so > > > > let's be more specific, please. > > > > > > over to you. > > > > > We all know what this is. Some loser who got tenure and thinks (s)he > > > has a guaranteed job, so they do basically nothing but the minimal > > > work. No grants or contracts of their own, and they expect to teach > > > some minimal number of hours. They produce nothing or next to nothing. > > > Often have had their lab space reduced or eliminated. They should be > > > fired for violating their contracts, as they are in violation by not > > > producing an acceptable level of research as required by those > > > contracts, but for some reason they are not. State universities are > > > loaded with them, as you know. There's a place you could save a lot of > > > money. Lots of very active very hungry young academics out there with > > > grants and contracts ready to take those jobs for 1/2 the salary, but > > > nope! > > > > Actually, I don't know that "state universities are loaded with them", > > at least, not here. Perhaps you have a list of such faculty at Ohio > > State that you would care to share with us? > > Really? Lets see the list of grants and contracts, professor by > professor. The ones that have no grants or contracts where they are > the PI are the deadwood. We bring in about $600M per year in external funds to Ohio, that are then leveraged by 2-4 times per dollar. ou can find the details on the OSU web site. What does Mississippi College do in that regard? Something about glass houses and throwing stones comes to mind.
From: Bobby Knight on 15 Sep 2009 14:14 On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:57:59 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote: >On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:45:12 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> >wrote: > >> >>"Bobby Knight" <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>news:6nuua5tllr6kh1n3r00hmfod6rqlg19gdj(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:16:58 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: >>> >>>>Bobby Knight wrote: > >>> >>> Again, a birther is the bottom of the barrel of intelligence. >>> >>> BK >>> -- >>I think truthers already have that position. >> > >Nope. > >BK I should've been clearer. Birthers, truthers, deathers and teabaggers are equally mentally incompetent. BK
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 15 Sep 2009 14:16 On Sep 15, 12:58 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <8ab1e71e-c5e3-4eba-8275-6af4f3579...(a)g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Sep 15, 7:29 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > > In article > > > <5afd7a0e-d9ca-46bc-b4ea-8d0ad6086...(a)j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Sep 14, 3:38 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <9a7c191f-1ea8-46fd-9ca1-340f53f8f...(a)k39g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 8, 5:02 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's all pause for a moment while he adjusts that almighty chip on > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > shoulder. > > > > > > > What is truly absurd is your belief that I have some ship on my > > > > > > shoulder here. If you have a problem with what just about everyone in > > > > > > this business thinks of deadwood faculty...too bad for you. > > > > > > > In any event, I was just reporting what the guy said...if all you can > > > > > > do with a masters degree is get a job that pays $60,000, it's not > > > > > > really worth the effort. You have a chip on your shoulder on that, > > > > > > tough for you! > > > > > > A "ship" on your shoulder? HMS Clavicle, perhaps? Holy smoke, no wonder > > > > > you have a hard time functioning! This sounds like something from > > > > > "Monty > > > > > Python". > > > > > > But while we are on it, why don't you let us all in on your definition > > > > > of "deadwood" faculty"? You seem to like to bandy the term around, so > > > > > let's be more specific, please. > > > > > > over to you. > > > > > We all know what this is. Some loser who got tenure and thinks (s)he > > > > has a guaranteed job, so they do basically nothing but the minimal > > > > work. No grants or contracts of their own, and they expect to teach > > > > some minimal number of hours. They produce nothing or next to nothing. > > > > Often have had their lab space reduced or eliminated. They should be > > > > fired for violating their contracts, as they are in violation by not > > > > producing an acceptable level of research as required by those > > > > contracts, but for some reason they are not. State universities are > > > > loaded with them, as you know. There's a place you could save a lot of > > > > money. Lots of very active very hungry young academics out there with > > > > grants and contracts ready to take those jobs for 1/2 the salary, but > > > > nope! > > > > Actually, I don't know that "state universities are loaded with them", > > > at least, not here. Perhaps you have a list of such faculty at Ohio > > > State that you would care to share with us? > > > Really? Lets see the list of grants and contracts, professor by > > professor. The ones that have no grants or contracts where they are > > the PI are the deadwood. > > We bring in about $600M per year in external funds to Ohio, that are > then leveraged by 2-4 times per dollar. ou can find the details on the > OSU web site. > > What does Mississippi College do in that regard? Something about glass > houses and throwing stones comes to mind. A lame reply, even for you. I guess it's that superior education of yours. You wanted me to identify the deadwood. They are the research faculty with no contracts and grants where they are the PI...and you come back with that reply?
From: MNMikeW on 15 Sep 2009 14:50 "Bobby Knight" <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:n6mva5h6ii6ee0k4vm73sel0eq745h1uu3(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:57:59 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight(a)conramp.net> > wrote: > >>On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:45:12 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> >>wrote: >> >>> >>>"Bobby Knight" <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>>news:6nuua5tllr6kh1n3r00hmfod6rqlg19gdj(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:16:58 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Bobby Knight wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Again, a birther is the bottom of the barrel of intelligence. >>>> >>>> BK >>>> -- >>>I think truthers already have that position. >>> >> >>Nope. >> >>BK > > I should've been clearer. Birthers, truthers, deathers and teabaggers > are equally mentally incompetent. > > BK People who use the word teabaggers to reference the tea party tax protesters are in the same group.
From: Bobby Knight on 15 Sep 2009 15:37
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:50:26 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >"Bobby Knight" <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >news:n6mva5h6ii6ee0k4vm73sel0eq745h1uu3(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:57:59 GMT, Bobby Knight <bknight(a)conramp.net> >> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:45:12 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Bobby Knight" <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>>>news:6nuua5tllr6kh1n3r00hmfod6rqlg19gdj(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:16:58 -0400, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Bobby Knight wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> Again, a birther is the bottom of the barrel of intelligence. >>>>> >>>>> BK >>>>> -- >>>>I think truthers already have that position. >>>> >>> >>>Nope. >>> >>>BK >> >> I should've been clearer. Birthers, truthers, deathers and teabaggers >> are equally mentally incompetent. >> >> BK > >People who use the word teabaggers to reference the tea party tax protesters >are in the same group. > Wrong. Whether one believes that their cause is right or wrong, that's what they are called. bk -- ___, \o | / \ . "Someone likes every shot"! bk |