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From: Dinosaur_Sr on 16 Sep 2009 12:55 On Sep 15, 6:03 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >What do govts do? They would be more interested in employing mechanics > >and truck drivers. Much more likely to have 10 trucks hauling the 20 > >loads, 2 per truck per day. > > Or teaspoons. > > So you think we hire soldiers, cops, letter carriers, etc as a job > program, and if those programs were privatized, they would automate or > something to provide at least as good of service with much fewer > workers? > No question about that. Look at the stimulus plan. Look at the solution for GM and Chrysler...note that with the auto makers there was never any talk of substantially changing one of the biggest problems, a bloated workforce..instead they handed the union a big chunk of each company. The extra workers hired are usually those where there is some political gain associated with hiring them, like road crews and things like that. A private business has to make a deal with a customer for a service, and that creates efficiency and innovation; they can't just impose the service like the govt can.
From: Alan Baker on 16 Sep 2009 13:25 In article <qrOdnf9TTcJjZi3XnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > Alan Baker wrote: > > In article <HpidnVPmlfH9vy3XnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > > BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > > > >> Alan Baker wrote: > >>> In article <ap-dnWv6Co3l7jLXnZ2dnUVZ_j5i4p2d(a)giganews.com>, > >>> BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Alan Baker wrote: > >>>>> In article <GfWdnaKYdMNymDLXnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > >>>>> BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> William Clark wrote: > >>>>>>> In article <G9GdndNa2dCdSjPXnZ2dnUVZ_gJi4p2d(a)giganews.com>, > >>>>>>> BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> William Clark wrote: > >>>>>>>>> In article <4LGdnQusqJFTyzXXnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > >>>>>>>>> BAR <Screw(a)You.Com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> William Clark wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> In article <l5uca5d39v9sqb069e2dkooaruvri6es2i(a)4ax.com>, > >>>>>>>>>>> Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 08 Sep 2009 06:30:26 GMT, Carbon > >>>>>>>>>>>> <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> His SAT and LSAT scores would be very interesting. You can get > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty good idea of IQ from both of those scores. I wonder > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't released them. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For the same reason that he didn't release his birth > >>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> those birther loons: there is no upside to pandering to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> retards. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he did release his birth certificate. > >>>>>>>>>>> It is in the public records. He didn't have to "release" > >>>>>>>>>>> anything. > >>>>>>>>>> He did not release a copy of his original birth certificate that > >>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>> issued at the time of his birth. There is a difference. > >>>>>>>>> No there is not. Sorry, but at least I accept that this is all you > >>>>>>>>> have. > >>>>>>>> Yes, there is a difference in the types of birth certificates that > >>>>>>>> were > >>>>>>>> provided in 1961 and the ones provided now. I have more familiarity > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> birth certificates issued in 1961 than you. > >>>>>>> Right, well too bad you got this one wrong. The only available > >>>>>>> certificate has been produced time and time again, but morons like > >>>>>>> you > >>>>>>> just can't stand a black man being President. > >>>>>> "The only available certificate has been produced." I can get one just > >>>>>> like Obama's too or I can get a copy of the true original certificate > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> my birth. In fact I have certified copies of both. Funny thing is they > >>>>>> don't look the same. One is printed on funny colored paper and the > >>>>>> other > >>>>>> is a negative image a record recored at the time of my birth. Hmmmm. > >>>>> Not if you're from Hawaii, you can't. > >>>>> > >>>>> The only certificate Hawaii issues is the one that has been produced. > >>>>> > >>>> Did time start with yesterday's sunrise? > >>> No, but that has absolutely nothing to do with it. > >>> > >> The only certificate they issue now. The operative word is "now." > > > > Right. > > > > What of it? > > > > What other certificate is he supposed to have? Or do you imagine that if > > he hasn't kept every scrap of paper he ever had (assuming he ever had > > it) he's somehow done something wrong? > > I will take this as an admission that you know there exists another form > of birth certificate. We will call this the original certificate of live > birth recorded with the vital records department. I admit that one *existed*. That does not mean it still exists. Hawaii has stated that those records no longer exist. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Bobby Knight on 16 Sep 2009 13:45 On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:58:26 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >What's "anti black sentiment, and why is there more in Mississippi >than in say Dublin, Ohio? Remember that I live in Mississippi and you >don't....but I have lived in Ohio, and there is a lot more open, overt >racism in Ohio than in Mississippi in my own personal experience. For >example, I have seen people decked out in full KKK regalia in Ohio in >the 1990's, and I only lived there for 5 years. In 18+ years in >Mississippi, I have yet to see anyone decked out in such regalia. You need to get out more. BK
From: gray asphalt on 16 Sep 2009 14:26 "The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message news:4aafb0ea$0$23763$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > > "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:GtDrm.316416$E61.220537(a)newsfe09.iad... >> >> We need a national, privately owned co-op that >> figures premiums on actuarial tables instead of >> "return on investment". How hard can it be for a >> bunch of us to get together and sign up for such a >> company, promising to buy insurance from this >> co-op when it becomes available? If we build a >> group they will come. And if the government is >> willing to subsidize pre-existing illness members, >> all the better and I sure don't mind spending a little >> to get basic insurance for the poor, expecially >> veterans, children, mentally ill, disabled, elderly, >> mothers with underage children, who else ... ? > > Here is another surprise for you. The poor, veterans, mentally ill, > disabled and the elderly already get free health care. Most of what you > are railing about is already available. > > Your suggestion that adding more overhead somehow reduces costs is not a > practical solution. It's kind of disarming to get civil answers, even though not really true. I used to work at a Comunity Information and Referral in Phoenix and a friend of a friend just went through trying to get help for her and her child. She is mentally disabled and her child was a crack baby. It was almost impossible. She was misdiagnosed, denied service, not even given a counselor to help her deal with being without services becasue of budget cutbacks in Nevada. The agencies were fighting over who got her, yet to be granted mental health disability checks. They were denied and if her CPS case worker hadn't had a relative working in the Salvation Army, she never would have gotten any care at all except in a daily shelter. It's a mess for someone with a child, who is disabled. I see a hundred guys living on the street here and some of them are willing to work, I asked and they were fighting to get enough money to get back into an apartment. Some of us need to actually talk to the people we think are getting services.
From: The moderator on 16 Sep 2009 14:39
"gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:o5asm.160897$sC1.118627(a)newsfe17.iad... > > "The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message > news:4aafb0ea$0$23763$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... >> >> "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:GtDrm.316416$E61.220537(a)newsfe09.iad... >>> >>> We need a national, privately owned co-op that >>> figures premiums on actuarial tables instead of >>> "return on investment". How hard can it be for a >>> bunch of us to get together and sign up for such a >>> company, promising to buy insurance from this >>> co-op when it becomes available? If we build a >>> group they will come. And if the government is >>> willing to subsidize pre-existing illness members, >>> all the better and I sure don't mind spending a little >>> to get basic insurance for the poor, expecially >>> veterans, children, mentally ill, disabled, elderly, >>> mothers with underage children, who else ... ? >> >> Here is another surprise for you. The poor, veterans, mentally ill, >> disabled and the elderly already get free health care. Most of what you >> are railing about is already available. >> >> Your suggestion that adding more overhead somehow reduces costs is not a >> practical solution. > > It's kind of disarming to get civil answers, > even though not really true. I used to work > at a Comunity Information and Referral > in Phoenix and a friend of a friend just went > through trying to get help for her and her > child. She is mentally disabled and her child > was a crack baby. It was almost impossible. > She was misdiagnosed, denied service, not > even given a counselor to help her deal with > being without services becasue of budget > cutbacks in Nevada. > > The agencies were fighting over who got her, > yet to be granted mental health disability checks. > They were denied and if her CPS case worker > hadn't had a relative working in the Salvation > Army, she never would have gotten any care > at all except in a daily shelter. It's a mess for > someone with a child, who is disabled. I see > a hundred guys living on the street here and > some of them are willing to work, I asked and > they were fighting to get enough money to get > back into an apartment. Some of us need to > actually talk to the people we think are getting > services. It is hard to blame anyone, but the doctor if there was a misdiagnosis. Single payer plan, conventional insurance, and welfare programs all have rules based on diagnosis. |