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From: Jack Hollis on 18 Sep 2009 14:24 On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:15:16 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> I never said anything of the sort. I don't think that there's any >> doubt that he was born in Hawaii. So, whatever the reason he hasn't >> released his original birth certificate, it's not because he wasn't >> born in the US. Other than that, I have no idea why he hasn't >> released it. > >He has released his birth certificate, Jack. That much is completely >clear. > >Be an adult and admit as much. He has released a Certificate of Live Birth, There are also Birth Certificates which contain more information than the document that he released. I have no doubt that he was born in the US. I don't care if he wants to release the more inclusive birth certificate or not. What he did release and the microfilm copies of the two newspapers announcing his birth back in 1961 is good enough for me.
From: Alan Baker on 18 Sep 2009 14:29 In article <1mj7b5l0umpauc87t8v2nd987vir6og53u(a)4ax.com>, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:15:16 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> > wrote: > > >> I never said anything of the sort. I don't think that there's any > >> doubt that he was born in Hawaii. So, whatever the reason he hasn't > >> released his original birth certificate, it's not because he wasn't > >> born in the US. Other than that, I have no idea why he hasn't > >> released it. > > > >He has released his birth certificate, Jack. That much is completely > >clear. > > > >Be an adult and admit as much. > > He has released a Certificate of Live Birth, There are also Birth > Certificates which contain more information than the document that he > released. I have no doubt that he was born in the US. I don't care > if he wants to release the more inclusive birth certificate or not. > What he did release and the microfilm copies of the two newspapers > announcing his birth back in 1961 is good enough for me. Jack... Don't be pig-headed about this. He released the only birth certificate the State of Hawaii issues. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: William Clark on 18 Sep 2009 14:37 In article <48cf7279-5923-43bb-8a91-a880607d8904(a)f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Sep 18, 8:11�am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article <1ut6b511ipi071766ukrtv3a28qulof...(a)4ax.com>, > > �Bobby Knight <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >In article > > > ><516484e0-65d3-4cf2-bf31-0a0b86a19...(a)h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > >You typical leftie snobbery �towards people from low income areas is well > > > >noted however. Amazing > > > > they vote for elitist idiots of your ilk, like say that ex grand > > > > wizard of the KKK who is now head of the senate appropriations > > > > committee. > > > > > Wrong again Rob, but expected of you. > > > > > Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii is the current Chairman of the Senate > > > Appropriations Committee. �Hardly a Grand Wizard of the KKK. > > > > > BK > > > > Look at you - now you've just gone and spoiled a good wingnut rant. > > > > You should be ashamed of yourself. > > I see, so thus he was never involved with the KKK, who of course never > gathered in Cowlumbus at any time in the 1980's or 1990's...because > you say so! You have never lived in Mississippi, but know all about > it; just like Knit! Byrd is just the senior member of the Senate > appropriations Committee and President Pro Temporae of the senate, and > has twice been Senate Majority leader...so obviously Dems don't think > having "served" in the KKK is a major issue of leadership! A US Senator (of asian heritage) from Hawaii is likely to be involved with the KKK? You are flat out nuts. Secondly, I rejected your claim to have seen KKK activists in Columbus - not that they were never there (as they were at some time in practically every major city). You chose to miss the difference. Lynchings here, though, not so common. You have the clear advantage on that score.
From: Jack Hollis on 18 Sep 2009 15:03 On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:29:07 -0700, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> He has released a Certificate of Live Birth, There are also Birth >> Certificates which contain more information than the document that he >> released. I have no doubt that he was born in the US. I don't care >> if he wants to release the more inclusive birth certificate or not. >> What he did release and the microfilm copies of the two newspapers >> announcing his birth back in 1961 is good enough for me. > >Jack... > >Don't be pig-headed about this. > >He released the only birth certificate the State of Hawaii issues. That's correct.
From: gray asphalt on 18 Sep 2009 18:53
"The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message news:4ab130d9$0$23751$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > > "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:o5asm.160897$sC1.118627(a)newsfe17.iad... >> >> "The moderator" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote in message >> news:4aafb0ea$0$23763$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... >>> >>> "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:GtDrm.316416$E61.220537(a)newsfe09.iad... >>>> >>>> We need a national, privately owned co-op that >>>> figures premiums on actuarial tables instead of >>>> "return on investment". How hard can it be for a >>>> bunch of us to get together and sign up for such a >>>> company, promising to buy insurance from this >>>> co-op when it becomes available? If we build a >>>> group they will come. And if the government is >>>> willing to subsidize pre-existing illness members, >>>> all the better and I sure don't mind spending a little >>>> to get basic insurance for the poor, expecially >>>> veterans, children, mentally ill, disabled, elderly, >>>> mothers with underage children, who else ... ? >>> >>> Here is another surprise for you. The poor, veterans, mentally ill, >>> disabled and the elderly already get free health care. Most of what you >>> are railing about is already available. >>> >>> Your suggestion that adding more overhead somehow reduces costs is not a >>> practical solution. >> >> It's kind of disarming to get civil answers, >> even though not really true. I used to work >> at a Comunity Information and Referral >> in Phoenix and a friend of a friend just went >> through trying to get help for her and her >> child. She is mentally disabled and her child >> was a crack baby. It was almost impossible. >> She was misdiagnosed, denied service, not >> even given a counselor to help her deal with >> being without services becasue of budget >> cutbacks in Nevada. >> >> The agencies were fighting over who got her, >> yet to be granted mental health disability checks. >> They were denied and if her CPS case worker >> hadn't had a relative working in the Salvation >> Army, she never would have gotten any care >> at all except in a daily shelter. It's a mess for >> someone with a child, who is disabled. I see >> a hundred guys living on the street here and >> some of them are willing to work, I asked and >> they were fighting to get enough money to get >> back into an apartment. Some of us need to >> actually talk to the people we think are getting >> services. > > It is hard to blame anyone, but the doctor if there was a misdiagnosis. > Single payer plan, conventional insurance, and welfare programs all have > rules based on diagnosis. Being misdiagnosed was only one minor problem. She was re-diagnosed correctly, according to the experts. All of the problems came after being supposedly diagnosed correctly. She fell and hit her head on a sidewalk during one of her drug induced psychotic episodes. Until I inquired she was had not had an MRI or Cat Scan to see if she had brain damage. One was done almost immediately and that doesn't speak ill of the payment for health services but I'm talking about the overall care that less poor receive. It's worse in Child Protective Services. There are so many children who should be removed from homes who aren't ... and the state tries to save money by accepting crappy foster care parents, in many cases. A child named China Marie Davis, was killed by her foster mother in Arizona ... two kids within a week by foster parents killed. China had dozens of broken bones other than the ones she received from being pushed down stairs for not clapping at a birth- day party. The other bones had healed ... they were never reported. China was either 6 or 8 when she died. That was not nearly the worst thing that happened. The stories are too sick to burden people with but somehow you have to make people aware of what is happening without making them sick to their stomachs and depressed. Hence my skepticism of services for poor people. Is there really health care for poor people now? Hell no. |