Illegal alien rights in the U.S.
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From: Billy on 15 May 2010 01:52 In article <MPG.2657136beaaf489a989f0c(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <alangbaker-A1F417.00590114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > In article <7n_Gn.6403$mi.2229(a)newsfe01.iad>, > > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > > > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > news:l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7bo9h(a)4ax.com... > > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > > > > > > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > > > > > > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > > > > ...right to due process. > > > > > > > > > This is the same constitution wherein we have uncovered a right to > > > abortion. > > > We don't take what the constitution actually says literally anymore. > > > > Your constitution makes it very clear on the subject of rights that it > > was never providing a definitive and exhaustive list of all the rights > > that people possess. > > > > > > > > Glad I had a chance to clear that up. > > > > You should try reading and understanding the document before you "clear" > > anything up about it. > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > constitution exists today? > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > either way. > > I guess it is ok to kill unborn children because they cannot speak for > themselves. Always interesting, that people that are against abortion are always for the death penalty, hmmm? So maybe a 6 mo. old fetus, should be available for adoption by the state, or is this something punitive against the mother? Whose body is involved, and at what date is the passenger viable? Make it easy for women. Before 4 1/2 months, abortion on demand, no questions asked. After 4 1/2 months, abortions for health reasons only with the state taking responsibility for the baby, otherwise, it is the mother's call. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 01:55 In article <MPG.2657871a8175bc1b989f11(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <alangbaker-9AB73F.11414914052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > > > constitution exists today? > > > > The document is very clear that there are rights in doesn't enumerate. > > > > You don't seriously disagree with this, do you? > > > > > > > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > > > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > > > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > > > either way. > > > > Parents hold their offsprings rights in trust. A parent can decide that > > they will move self and child across the country and if the child > > doesn't like it, confine the child to his or her room. > > > > But if a third party does that, it's called kidnapping. > > > > What's the difference in that case? > > Are you of the opinion that the US constitution is a living document? > > I am of the opinion that if you want to change the US constitution you > do it through the process it defines and get an amendment passed. > > The problem is that rights come from the creator and the creator did not > and will not give you the "right" to steal your neighbors property to > fund your desires. A document that is one of the base documents of our > laws specifically proscribes stealing. If you survive a ship wreck, and are in a lifeboat, and have your own food, do you have the right to withhold it from your boat mates? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 02:00 In article <856o2qFl8fU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.2657871a8175bc1b989f11(a)news.giganews.com... > > In article <alangbaker-9AB73F.11414914052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > > > > constitution exists today? > > > > > > The document is very clear that there are rights in doesn't enumerate. > > > > > > You don't seriously disagree with this, do you? > > > > > > > > > > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > > > > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > > > > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > > > > either way. > > > > > > Parents hold their offsprings rights in trust. A parent can decide that > > > they will move self and child across the country and if the child > > > doesn't like it, confine the child to his or her room. > > > > > > But if a third party does that, it's called kidnapping. > > > > > > What's the difference in that case? > > > > Are you of the opinion that the US constitution is a living document? > > > > I am of the opinion that if you want to change the US constitution you > > do it through the process it defines and get an amendment passed. > > > > The problem is that rights come from the creator and the creator did not > > and will not give you the "right" to steal your neighbors property to > > fund your desires. A document that is one of the base documents of our > > laws specifically proscribes stealing. > > You're wasting your time with Uncle Al, the unborn kiddy's pal. He doesn't > believe in a creator....or much of anything for that matter. > > -Greg It's a mater of hypocrisy. Can you demand a woman take care of a baby, when you wouldn't? Should a kid have to face resentful parents, when you could give the child a good life? If you insist that the child be born, then you take some responsibility. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 02:02 In article <alangbaker-F2A53E.15033114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <MPG.2657871a8175bc1b989f11(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <alangbaker-9AB73F.11414914052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > > > > constitution exists today? > > > > > > The document is very clear that there are rights in doesn't enumerate. > > > > > > You don't seriously disagree with this, do you? > > > > > > > > > > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > > > > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > > > > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > > > > either way. > > > > > > Parents hold their offsprings rights in trust. A parent can decide that > > > they will move self and child across the country and if the child > > > doesn't like it, confine the child to his or her room. > > > > > > But if a third party does that, it's called kidnapping. > > > > > > What's the difference in that case? > > > > Are you of the opinion that the US constitution is a living document? > > I'm of the opinion that it explicitly states that the rights it lists > are not the only rights that exist. > > > > > I am of the opinion that if you want to change the US constitution you > > do it through the process it defines and get an amendment passed. > > It's not a change. > > > > > The problem is that rights come from the creator and the creator did not > > and will not give you the "right" to steal your neighbors property to > > fund your desires. A document that is one of the base documents of our > > laws specifically proscribes stealing. > > What an odd thing for you to say? How does that advance your argument in > this case? > > Fact: parents are charge with exercising various rights on behalf of > their offspring. > > Fact: it is a different times that those offspring are given those > rights to exercise for themselves. > > The right to life is just the first that the child is given to exercise > for itself. And the right to your own body and how it is used? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 02:06
In article <855cn8Fe5rU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.2657136beaaf489a989f0c(a)news.giganews.com... > > In article <alangbaker-A1F417.00590114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > In article <7n_Gn.6403$mi.2229(a)newsfe01.iad>, > > > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > > > > > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > > news:l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7bo9h(a)4ax.com... > > > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > > > > > > > > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or > property > > > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > > > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > > > > > > > > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > > > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > > > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > > > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > > > > > ...right to due process. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the same constitution wherein we have uncovered a right to > abortion. > > > > We don't take what the constitution actually says literally anymore. > > > > > > Your constitution makes it very clear on the subject of rights that it > > > was never providing a definitive and exhaustive list of all the rights > > > that people possess. > > > > > > > > > > > Glad I had a chance to clear that up. > > > > > > You should try reading and understanding the document before you "clear" > > > anything up about it. > > > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > > constitution exists today? > > > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > > either way. > > > > I guess it is ok to kill unborn children because they cannot speak for > > themselves. > > The vast majority are victims of convenience. > > -Greg When do they become conscious? When are they just a mass of cells? What about all the other semen? What about all the wasted eggs of menstruation? Who is going to cry for them? Should women have all their eggs harvested, and dipped into a vat of redundant semen? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |