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From: BAR on 15 May 2010 12:23 In article <p1ftu51i6msp3f3e9ghmpi8ico1ij6l2o6(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:42:19 -0400, "Frank Ketchum" > <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > >There is nothing like a good old fashioned abortion discussion to fully > >highlight the complete moral bankruptcy of the left. Not that I am being > >critical, some of the funniest things you can read are posts where liberals > >bend and contort to try to come up with defenses for abortion. Fun stuff! > > > That is the main reason that absolutely refuse to discuss it. I also > refuse to state that either the left, or the right, is morally > bankrupt. That would put me in a position of thinking that I have a > moral superiority to either. > > You really don't enjoy that position Frank. You're painting with a > wide brush since all liberals don't disagree with you on abortion. Bobby currently owns the broad brush.
From: bknight on 15 May 2010 12:46 On Sat, 15 May 2010 12:23:17 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <p1ftu51i6msp3f3e9ghmpi8ico1ij6l2o6(a)4ax.com>, >bknight(a)conramp.net says... >> >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:42:19 -0400, "Frank Ketchum" >> <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: >> >> >> >There is nothing like a good old fashioned abortion discussion to fully >> >highlight the complete moral bankruptcy of the left. Not that I am being >> >critical, some of the funniest things you can read are posts where liberals >> >bend and contort to try to come up with defenses for abortion. Fun stuff! >> > >> That is the main reason that absolutely refuse to discuss it. I also >> refuse to state that either the left, or the right, is morally >> bankrupt. That would put me in a position of thinking that I have a >> moral superiority to either. >> >> You really don't enjoy that position Frank. You're painting with a >> wide brush since all liberals don't disagree with you on abortion. > >Bobby currently owns the broad brush. Of all people to make that remark you're the least qualified. Please point out where I make broad statements. BK
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 13:40 In article <hsmb18$tbt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Hisler <Hisler(a)cocks.net> wrote: > Turban Joe Balasootoe wrote: > > On May 13, 6:47 pm, Strabo <str...(a)flashlight.net> wrote: > >> brad herschel wrote: > >>> On May 13, 1:48 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 10:39:55 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers > >>>> are MURDERERS" <beta...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>>> On May 13, 6:15 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>>>>> This should clear up one misconception here. > >>>>>> The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > >>>>>> ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > >>>>>> ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > >>>>>> jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > >>>>>> ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > >>>>>> ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > >>>>>> ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > >>>>>> ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > >>>>>> ...right to due process. > >>>>>> BK > >>>>> The first words in the constitution are "We the people of the united > >>>>> states" and that makes it clear the words people or person refer to > >>>>> citizens. The SC takes their usual bribes from Business and ignores > >>>>> this. > >>>> You're an idiot....and prove it over and over. Keep it up, we need > >>>> the laughs. > >>>> BK- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> I would take those "rights" from illegal aliens. Americans should have > >>> the right to shoot border crossers at site of invasion, make citizens > >>> arrests, seize assets, etc. > >>> Uncle Suckemoff is totally inept. > >> Illegal aliens are foreign nationals illegally in the US. They are > >> quite simply, outlaws. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >>> Brad- Hide quoted text - > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Legals are even more of a malediction. Here's one running for > > the U.S. Congressional seat in PA's 6th District: Manan Trivedi: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- > > > > 4. Do you agree that any immigration reform bill should: > > > > a) Contain a meaningful path to citizenship - one that does > > not include overly-punitive fines or a touchback requirement - for law- > > abiding undocumented immigrants currently in the United States; > > > > b) Ensure that expanded legal permanent immigration, rather > > than expansion of temporary worker programs, serves as the United > > States' primary external answer to workforce shortages; and > > Some 9 million manufacturing jobs have been lost in the U.S. in the > lifetime of an American 5th grader. There are no workforce shortages. > There is double digit unemployment made far worse by immigration, legal > or otherwise. > > > > > c) Ensure that any non-agricultural temporary worker programs > > maintain current caps on the total number of non-agricultural > > temporary worker visas issued, and also include a meaningful > > prevailing wage requirement keyed to the Service Contract Act and > > Davis-Bacon Act? > > > > > > > > "I support all the measures above in a comprehensive immigration > > reform bill. I am the son of immigrants and we are a nation that > > continues to prosper because of the contributions of immigrants. > > He's like a junkie who has to sell heroin to unsuspecting youth in order > to pay for his own drug addiction. More reason to stop all immigration. > > > We > > need to pursue comprehensive immigration reform that assures that > > America continues to attract and retain the best and brightest from > > around the world." (Trivedi) > > And the reason that many come to this country is lack of work, because Mexican farmers can't compete with American subsidized grain sold in Mexico for less than the cost of production. It is hypocritical to be the cause of their immigration, and then to blame them for it. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 13:57 In article <MPG.26587caf407b0c74989f2e(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <wildbilly-39747C.22522414052010(a)c-61-68-245- > 199.per.connect.net.au>, wildbilly(a)withouta.net says... > > > > > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > > > constitution exists today? > > > > > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > > > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > > > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > > > either way. > > > > > > I guess it is ok to kill unborn children because they cannot speak for > > > themselves. > > > > Always interesting, that people that are against abortion are always for > > the death penalty, hmmm? So maybe a 6 mo. old fetus, should be available > > for adoption by the state, or is this something punitive against the > > mother? Whose body is involved, and at what date is the passenger viable? > > Make it easy for women. Before 4 1/2 months, abortion on demand, no > > questions asked. After 4 1/2 months, abortions for health reasons only > > with the state taking responsibility for the baby, otherwise, it is the > > mother's call. > > > > I'll give you a little background. My oldest daughter was a very, very > premature baby, that is the correct term. She was born at 28 weeks of > gestation. Her APGAR score at birth was 1. The first time I held her I > held here in my hand, yes the singular form is appropriate, because she > was that small. Now 16 years later she is attending a magnet high > school, she had to test into it (300 of 12,000 9th graders were > accepted). She is driving and she is looking into which college she > wants to attend. > > It is going to be extremely difficult for anyone to tell me that > abortion is a choice or that it is a convenience. And were not talking abortion here. My understanding is a fetus is viable at 24 weeks. What I am arguing is that until 4 and a half months, a woman should have the right, on demand, no questions asked, for an abortion. Right now, there are states that prevent a woman from getting an abortion by putting economic huddles in her way, and delaying her wishes. Who' body is it? The "tea baggers" don't want government interference, well here it is controlling what a woman can do with her body. After, four and a half months, perhaps there should be a hearing to weight the woman's demand for an abortion for some reason that we haven't discussed. If that is the case, then I'd like to think that the government could step in and take responsibility for the child. I'm happy that your daughter's story had a happy ending, but for me, a citizen's body is their business. If the state thinks that they have a dog in this fight, then the state needs to take some responsibility. If you sketched out a "bell curve", I think you would find the perponderance of women would be unhappy about not being able to continue a pregnancy. All I'm sayin' is that it's their body, and it should be their choice. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Strabo on 15 May 2010 14:02
Howard Brazee wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 2010 23:47:43 -0400, Strabo <strabo(a)flashlight.net> > wrote: > >>> We've all broken laws. But our justice system assumes we are >>> innocent until found guilty. >>> >> Maybe it's about how you define "we". > > You and me and anybody else. > >> If one is within the US and is not demonstrably a citizen of the US, >> and one does not have papers authorizing his presence, then one is a >> foreign national. > > How do you demonstrate that you are a citizen of the U.S.? Do you > carry a birth certificate with you? > >> Does a Frenchman have 5th A. rights? Germans? Brazilians? Mexicans? > > Yes. > >> If one is an illegal alien the 5th A. does not apply. > > If you are accused of a crime, the 5th amendment applies - even if > that accusation is that you are an illegal alien. Your accent sounds > vaguely Canadian to me. > >> Illegal aliens do not have unalienable rights. > > We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of > Happiness. > I commend any foreign national who understands the import of Jefferson's words, but the US Declaration is not to be confused with constitutional or statutory law. Foreign nationals are granted certain privileges under US law but these are not to be confused with unalienable rights which apply to citizens. |