Illegal alien rights in the U.S.
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From: Billy on 15 May 2010 14:11 In article <856vckFof5U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Billy" <wildbilly(a)withouta.net> wrote in message > news:wildbilly-9F5114.22393914052010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au... > > In article <7n_Gn.6403$mi.2229(a)newsfe01.iad>, > > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > > > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > news:l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7bo9h(a)4ax.com... > > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > > > > > > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > > > > > > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > > > > ...right to due process. > > > > > > > > > This is the same constitution wherein we have uncovered a right to > abortion. > > > We don't take what the constitution actually says literally anymore. > > > > > > Glad I had a chance to clear that up. > > > > You mean that people don't have a right to their own bodies any more? > > The state can tell them what their bodies are going to do? > > When it affects the life of another person.....no! > > -Greg What about the mother person? Did she say, I want to get pregnant? Where are her rights. And this potental person, when is it a person? At conception? At 2 cells? 4 cells? 16 cells? 256 cells?, 65636 cells? 4,294,967,296 cells? If at conception, then why aren't you worried about all the potential lives being lost through wet dreams, and menstruation? Understand that we are in a world with rapidly diminishing resources, especially diminishing resources per capita. What if the government said, "Greg, we can only support so many people, and for the good of society, we think you should be sterilized"? Your body, your decision? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 14:14 In article <2e8705c8-7160-4886-8352-b3a66bd4b511(a)v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 15, 1:55�am, Billy <wildbi...(a)withouta.net> wrote: > > In article <MPG.2657871a8175bc1b989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <alangbaker-9AB73F.11414914052...(a)news.shawcable.com>, > > > alangba...(a)telus.net says... > > > > > > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > > > > > constitution exists today? > > > > > > The document is very clear that there are rights in doesn't enumerate. > > > > > > You don't seriously disagree with this, do you? > > > > > > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > > > > > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > > > > > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > > > > > either way. > > > > > > Parents hold their offsprings rights in trust. A parent can decide that > > > > they will move self and child across the country and if the child > > > > doesn't like it, confine the child to his or her room. > > > > > > But if a third party does that, it's called kidnapping. > > > > > > What's the difference in that case? > > > > > Are you of the opinion that the US constitution is a living document? > > > > > I am of the opinion that if you want to change the US constitution you > > > do it through the process it defines and get an amendment passed. > > > > > The problem is that rights come from the creator and the creator did not > > > and will not give you the "right" to steal your neighbors property to > > > fund your desires. A document that is one of the base documents of our > > > laws specifically proscribes stealing. > > > > If you survive a ship wreck, and are in a lifeboat, and have your own > > food, do you have the right to withhold it from your boat mates? > > -- > Yes, but they'll probably kill you for it. Ayn Rand would be proud. And, if you were rescued after some died of hunger, you may be tried for murder. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 15 May 2010 14:27 In article <KtxHn.7831$HG1.7401(a)newsfe21.iad>, "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > "Billy" <wildbilly(a)withouta.net> wrote in message > news:wildbilly-887263.23001914052010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au... > > In article <856o2qFl8fU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > >> "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > >> news:MPG.2657871a8175bc1b989f11(a)news.giganews.com... > >> > In article <alangbaker-9AB73F.11414914052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > >> > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > >> > > > > >> > > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > >> > > > constitution exists today? > >> > > > >> > > The document is very clear that there are rights in doesn't > >> > > enumerate. > >> > > > >> > > You don't seriously disagree with this, do you? > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > >> > > > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > >> > > > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is > >> > > > dead > >> > > > either way. > >> > > > >> > > Parents hold their offsprings rights in trust. A parent can decide > >> > > that > >> > > they will move self and child across the country and if the child > >> > > doesn't like it, confine the child to his or her room. > >> > > > >> > > But if a third party does that, it's called kidnapping. > >> > > > >> > > What's the difference in that case? > >> > > >> > Are you of the opinion that the US constitution is a living document? > >> > > >> > I am of the opinion that if you want to change the US constitution you > >> > do it through the process it defines and get an amendment passed. > >> > > >> > The problem is that rights come from the creator and the creator did > >> > not > >> > and will not give you the "right" to steal your neighbors property to > >> > fund your desires. A document that is one of the base documents of our > >> > laws specifically proscribes stealing. > >> > >> You're wasting your time with Uncle Al, the unborn kiddy's pal. He > >> doesn't > >> believe in a creator....or much of anything for that matter. > >> > >> -Greg > > > > It's a mater of hypocrisy. Can you demand a woman take care of a baby, > > when you wouldn't? Should a kid have to face resentful parents, when you > > could give the child a good life? If you insist that the child be born, > > then you take some responsibility. > > The cornerstone of your whole argument is to completely ignore the concept > of personal responsibility. To then suggest that someone else needs to be > responsible for a child is... well.... let's just put it this way - You are > a perfect liberal. Not many of us left ;O) The state makes the demand. The state takes some responsibility. Otherwise, it's the woman's body, and the woman's choice. If the woman makes a timely, request for an abortion, she is accepting responsibility. If the state thinks that they have a dog in this fight, then the state needs to take some responsibility, for the good of everyone. It's gotten to the point now, ya know, that they can make a stem cell from nearly any cell in your body. Any scraped skin you leave behind, could be viewed as a potential human being, and it will get more complicated as the revolution in biology gets going. There are going to be tears and anguish, but the law should be; your body, your choice. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Jack Hollis on 15 May 2010 14:28 On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:02:31 -0400, Strabo <strabo(a)flashlight.net> wrote: >> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable >> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >> Happiness. >> > >I commend any foreign national who understands the import of Jefferson's >words, but the US Declaration is not to be confused with constitutional >or statutory law. > >Foreign nationals are granted certain privileges under US law but >these are not to be confused with unalienable rights which apply to >citizens. It's important to remember that US citizens and legal aliens can never be charged with being in the country illegally. That's a big difference. However, illegal aliens are entitled to due process, like every citizen. In this case, due process is defined as an administrative procedure that entitles the person with an opportunity to prove that he/she is in the country legally. If this can't be done, the person can be deported immediately. Bottom line, if you're an illegal alien you have the right to prove that you're not an illegal alien. That's about it.
From: Jack Hollis on 15 May 2010 14:31
On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:57:10 -0700, Billy <wildbilly(a)withouta.net> wrote: > Who' body is it? The mother, or the fetus? |