Illegal alien rights in the U.S.
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From: Jack Hollis on 15 May 2010 14:55 On Sat, 15 May 2010 11:27:48 -0700, Billy <wildbilly(a)withouta.net> wrote: >There are going to be tears and anguish, but the law should be; >your body, your choice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgiTrQkH9Jg&feature=related
From: Mr.Sandman on 15 May 2010 16:30 Strabo wrote: > Howard Brazee wrote: >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 23:47:43 -0400, Strabo <strabo(a)flashlight.net> >> wrote: >> >>>> We've all broken laws. But our justice system assumes we are >>>> innocent until found guilty. >>>> >>> Maybe it's about how you define "we". >> >> You and me and anybody else. >> >>> If one is within the US and is not demonstrably a citizen of the US, >>> and one does not have papers authorizing his presence, then one is a >>> foreign national. >> >> How do you demonstrate that you are a citizen of the U.S.? Do you >> carry a birth certificate with you? >> >>> Does a Frenchman have 5th A. rights? Germans? Brazilians? Mexicans? >> >> Yes. >> >>> If one is an illegal alien the 5th A. does not apply. >> >> If you are accused of a crime, the 5th amendment applies - even if >> that accusation is that you are an illegal alien. Your accent sounds >> vaguely Canadian to me. >> >>> Illegal aliens do not have unalienable rights. >> >> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable >> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >> Happiness. >> > > I commend any foreign national who understands the import of Jefferson's > words, but the US Declaration is not to be confused with constitutional > or statutory law. > > Foreign nationals are granted certain privileges under US law but > these are not to be confused with unalienable rights which apply to > citizens. You need to study moral philosophy. Citizens and slaves have the right to Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness for no other reason than being Human. That is why slavery is morally wrong. > > >
From: Carbon on 15 May 2010 18:56 On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > > 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over their own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you don't like.
From: Frank Ketchum on 15 May 2010 19:31 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:p1ftu51i6msp3f3e9ghmpi8ico1ij6l2o6(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:42:19 -0400, "Frank Ketchum" > <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > >>There is nothing like a good old fashioned abortion discussion to fully >>highlight the complete moral bankruptcy of the left. Not that I am being >>critical, some of the funniest things you can read are posts where >>liberals >>bend and contort to try to come up with defenses for abortion. Fun stuff! >> > That is the main reason that absolutely refuse to discuss it. I also > refuse to state that either the left, or the right, is morally > bankrupt. That would put me in a position of thinking that I have a > moral superiority to either. > > You really don't enjoy that position Frank. You're painting with a > wide brush since all liberals don't disagree with you on abortion. I, Bobby, have no problem stating that a political movement that condones the murder of 800,000+ people a year is morally bankrupt. I have no problem saying that a position promoting life is morally superior to a position condoning abortion. You can pretend all you want that one position is not morally superior to the other. You are wrong. Period.
From: Howard Brazee on 15 May 2010 21:11
On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:02:31 -0400, Strabo <strabo(a)flashlight.net> wrote: >>> Illegal aliens do not have unalienable rights. >> >> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable >> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >> Happiness. >> > >I commend any foreign national who understands the import of Jefferson's >words, but the US Declaration is not to be confused with constitutional >or statutory law. The Constitution doesn't mention unalienable rights. I don't happen to believe rights can be unalienable, but when the expression is used, I look at the one place I know it exists. If you have a more applicable source for that phrase, by all means share it. >Foreign nationals are granted certain privileges under US law but >these are not to be confused with unalienable rights which apply to >citizens. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |