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From: dene on 15 May 2010 21:55 "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:7phuu5l9jdmt32dt1fg4bnjdjlbp51v0ti(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 15 May 2010 11:53:14 -0700, Don Kirkman <donsno2(a)charter.net> > wrote: > > >Some religious cultures have thought in terms of when the embryo is > >"ensouled" or receives its soul, in cultures that believe in a > >separation of soul and body. But that timing is even harder to agree > >on than the timing of viability. > > The Bible has it when the baby's head passes out in birth. Hmmm....care to cite this passage. -Greg
From: Carbon on 15 May 2010 22:12 On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:54:58 -0700, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>> >>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. >>> >>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. >> >> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious >> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over their >> own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you don't >> like. > > Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to do > with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the > unborn has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't > it? It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the unborn. I personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I also believe that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body trumps the opinions of others.
From: dene on 15 May 2010 22:53 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4bef54a4$0$4973$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:54:58 -0700, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>> > >>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > >>> > >>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. > >> > >> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious > >> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over their > >> own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you don't > >> like. > > > > Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to do > > with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the > > unborn has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't > > it? > > It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the unborn. I > personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I also believe > that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body trumps the > opinions of others. And I say that life trumps 7-9 months of inconvenience. -Greg
From: Howard Brazee on 15 May 2010 22:52 On 16 May 2010 02:12:52 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the unborn. I >personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I also believe >that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body trumps the >opinions of others. Why is it a tragedy? Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? Are spontaneous abortions tragedies similar to crib death? I suspect not, that doesn't fit with your last sentence. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 15 May 2010 22:58
On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:55:29 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >> The Bible has it when the baby's head passes out in birth. > >Hmmm....care to cite this passage. Shoot, I'm not finding it. When I see it again, I'll save it. I was surprised when someone showed it to me and looked it up. But I'm not finding it right now, so I will hold off repeating it until I have the verse available. My bad. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |