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From: Carbon on 15 May 2010 23:25 On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > On 16 May 2010 02:12:52 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > wrote: > >> It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the >> unborn. I personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I >> also believe that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own >> body trumps the opinions of others. > > Why is it a tragedy? Religious people believe that people choose to have abortions for largely frivolous reasons. I do not agree. I suspect that when women choose an abortion it is often because they do not believe they can care for a child. I cannot imagine that it is an easy decision. > Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? No. Embryos are not people. > Are spontaneous abortions tragedies similar to crib death? I suspect > not, that doesn't fit with your last sentence. Correct.
From: Carbon on 15 May 2010 23:26 On Sat, 15 May 2010 19:53:50 -0700, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4bef54a4$0$4973$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:54:58 -0700, dene wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>> >>>>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. >>>>> >>>>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. >>>> >>>> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious >>>> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over >>>> their own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you >>>> don't like. >>> >>> Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to >>> do with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the >>> unborn has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't >>> it? >> >> It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the >> unborn. I personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I >> also believe that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own >> body trumps the opinions of others. > > And I say that life trumps 7-9 months of inconvenience. Fetuses are not people.
From: dene on 16 May 2010 04:37 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > On 16 May 2010 02:12:52 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > >> It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the > >> unborn. I personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I > >> also believe that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own > >> body trumps the opinions of others. > > > > Why is it a tragedy? > > Religious people believe that people choose to have abortions for > largely frivolous reasons. I do not agree. I suspect that when women > choose an abortion it is often because they do not believe they can care > for a child. I cannot imagine that it is an easy decision. It is not a religious concept. There are plenty of people who are pro-life who don't give a fig about religion. Also, you're ignoring the best choice. Adoption. > > Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > No. Embryos are not people. Criminal law disagrees. Murder a pregnant woman and you have two counts against you. -Greg
From: dene on 16 May 2010 04:39 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4bef65e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Sat, 15 May 2010 19:53:50 -0700, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4bef54a4$0$4973$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:54:58 -0700, dene wrote: > >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>>> > >>>>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > >>>>> > >>>>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. > >>>> > >>>> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious > >>>> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over > >>>> their own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you > >>>> don't like. > >>> > >>> Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to > >>> do with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the > >>> unborn has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't > >>> it? > >> > >> It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the > >> unborn. I personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I > >> also believe that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own > >> body trumps the opinions of others. > > > > And I say that life trumps 7-9 months of inconvenience. > > Fetuses are not people. Wait till you see the ultrasound of your first child....then get back to me. -Greg
From: BAR on 16 May 2010 08:17
In article <8591c3FbssU1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com says... > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > > news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > >> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > > > > > > 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. > > > > This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious > > values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over > > their own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you > > don't like. > > Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to do with > religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the unborn has to do > with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't it? It is interesting to that a civilized society will condem a life, unborn child, to death due to the mothers whims and wishes. But, when a man commits murder, is tried, found guilty and sentenced to die for the crime according to the criminal code that the civilized society put in place there is extreme opposition. The argument that it is better to let 10 men fre rather than convict 1 innocent man. What crime did the unborn child commit to be sentenced to murder. |