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From: BAR on 16 May 2010 08:18 In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > On 16 May 2010 02:12:52 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > >> It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the > >> unborn. I personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I > >> also believe that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own > >> body trumps the opinions of others. > > > > Why is it a tragedy? > > Religious people believe that people choose to have abortions for > largely frivolous reasons. I do not agree. I suspect that when women > choose an abortion it is often because they do not believe they can care > for a child. I cannot imagine that it is an easy decision. Others are willing to care for that child. > > Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > No. Embryos are not people. When does life begin? > > Are spontaneous abortions tragedies similar to crib death? I suspect > > not, that doesn't fit with your last sentence. > > Correct.
From: BAR on 16 May 2010 08:20 In article <4bef65e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Sat, 15 May 2010 19:53:50 -0700, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4bef54a4$0$4973$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:54:58 -0700, dene wrote: > >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>>> > >>>>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > >>>>> > >>>>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. > >>>> > >>>> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious > >>>> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over > >>>> their own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you > >>>> don't like. > >>> > >>> Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to > >>> do with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the > >>> unborn has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't > >>> it? > >> > >> It wouldn't be silly at all. However, I do not "disregard" the > >> unborn. I personally believe that every abortion is a tragedy. But I > >> also believe that a woman's right to choose what happens to her own > >> body trumps the opinions of others. > > > > And I say that life trumps 7-9 months of inconvenience. > > Fetuses are not people. Why can you be charged, tried, and convicted of murdering a "not people?"
From: Carbon on 16 May 2010 08:50 On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: >> >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? >> >> No. Embryos are not people. > > When does life begin? Birth.
From: Carbon on 16 May 2010 08:54 On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:17:00 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <8591c3FbssU1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > says... >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: >>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> >>>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. >>>> >>>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. >>> >>> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious >>> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over their >>> own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you don't >>> like. >> >> Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to do >> with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the unborn >> has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't it? > > It is interesting to that a civilized society will condem a life, unborn > child, to death due to the mothers whims and wishes. But, when a man > commits murder, is tried, found guilty and sentenced to die for the > crime according to the criminal code that the civilized society put in > place there is extreme opposition. > > The argument that it is better to let 10 men fre rather than convict 1 > innocent man. What crime did the unborn child commit to be sentenced to > murder. It is interesting to me that so many anti-abortion crusaders absolutely love capital punishment. Why is that? Is human life sacred or not (assuming for the sake of argument that fetuses are people, which they're not)?
From: BAR on 16 May 2010 09:04
In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > >> > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > >> > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > When does life begin? > > Birth. I hope you never have children. |