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From: BAR on 16 May 2010 09:09 In article <4befeb08$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:17:00 -0400, BAR wrote: > > In article <8591c3FbssU1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > > says... > >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > >>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>> > >>>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > >>>> > >>>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. > >>> > >>> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious > >>> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over their > >>> own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you don't > >>> like. > >> > >> Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to do > >> with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the unborn > >> has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't it? > > > > It is interesting to that a civilized society will condem a life, unborn > > child, to death due to the mothers whims and wishes. But, when a man > > commits murder, is tried, found guilty and sentenced to die for the > > crime according to the criminal code that the civilized society put in > > place there is extreme opposition. > > > > The argument that it is better to let 10 men fre rather than convict 1 > > innocent man. What crime did the unborn child commit to be sentenced to > > murder. > > It is interesting to me that so many anti-abortion crusaders absolutely > love capital punishment. Why is that? Is human life sacred or not > (assuming for the sake of argument that fetuses are people, which they're > not) Should a man be condemed for what he does? Should a man be condemed for what he thinks? Should a man be condemed because he is an inconvienence?
From: bknight on 16 May 2010 12:20 On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:09:57 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <4befeb08$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> It is interesting to me that so many anti-abortion crusaders absolutely >> love capital punishment. Why is that? Is human life sacred or not >> (assuming for the sake of argument that fetuses are people, which they're >> not)? > >Should a man be condemed for what he does? No > >Should a man be condemed for what he thinks? No > >Should a man be condemed because he is an inconvienence? No Now reach down in that shallow brain pan and put these questions in response to Carbon's. Then you may realize that your status quo is a non sequitur. You really are all over the place and have no concentrated thought. BK
From: William Clark on 16 May 2010 12:24 In article <MPG.2659b8b4ef9e3f82989f48(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <4befeb08$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:17:00 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > In article <8591c3FbssU1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > > > says... > > >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >> news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > > >>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >>>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >>>> > > >>>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > > >>>> > > >>>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. > > >>> > > >>> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious > > >>> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over their > > >>> own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you don't > > >>> like. > > >> > > >> Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to do > > >> with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the unborn > > >> has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't it? > > > > > > It is interesting to that a civilized society will condem a life, unborn > > > child, to death due to the mothers whims and wishes. But, when a man > > > commits murder, is tried, found guilty and sentenced to die for the > > > crime according to the criminal code that the civilized society put in > > > place there is extreme opposition. > > > > > > The argument that it is better to let 10 men fre rather than convict 1 > > > innocent man. What crime did the unborn child commit to be sentenced to > > > murder. > > > > It is interesting to me that so many anti-abortion crusaders absolutely > > love capital punishment. Why is that? Is human life sacred or not > > (assuming for the sake of argument that fetuses are people, which they're > > not) > > Should a man be condemed for what he does? > > Should a man be condemed for what he thinks? > > Should a man be condemed because he is an inconvienence? Whoosh.
From: Howard Brazee on 16 May 2010 12:37 On Sun, 16 May 2010 01:37:55 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >It is not a religious concept. There are plenty of people who are pro-life >who don't give a fig about religion. Also, you're ignoring the best choice. >Adoption. In a society that needs more people, adoption is more attractive. In a society with too many people, some further argument may be needed to convince us that this is the best choice. >> > Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? >> >> No. Embryos are not people. > >Criminal law disagrees. Murder a pregnant woman and you have two counts >against you. The law is inconsistent here. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 16 May 2010 12:39
On Sun, 16 May 2010 01:39:15 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >> Fetuses are not people. > >Wait till you see the ultrasound of your first child....then get back to me. And wait until you have a miscarriage after looking at the ultrasound. Or try to get the miscarriage to be buried in a church's graveyard. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |