Illegal alien rights in the U.S.
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From: Alan Baker on 16 May 2010 20:47 In article <YjBHn.10166$jt.2336(a)newsfe04.iad>, Strabo <strabo(a)flashlight.net> wrote: > Howard Brazee wrote: > > On Thu, 13 May 2010 23:47:43 -0400, Strabo <strabo(a)flashlight.net> > > wrote: > > > >>> We've all broken laws. But our justice system assumes we are > >>> innocent until found guilty. > >>> > >> Maybe it's about how you define "we". > > > > You and me and anybody else. > > > >> If one is within the US and is not demonstrably a citizen of the US, > >> and one does not have papers authorizing his presence, then one is a > >> foreign national. > > > > How do you demonstrate that you are a citizen of the U.S.? Do you > > carry a birth certificate with you? > > > >> Does a Frenchman have 5th A. rights? Germans? Brazilians? Mexicans? > > > > Yes. > > > >> If one is an illegal alien the 5th A. does not apply. > > > > If you are accused of a crime, the 5th amendment applies - even if > > that accusation is that you are an illegal alien. Your accent sounds > > vaguely Canadian to me. > > > >> Illegal aliens do not have unalienable rights. > > > > We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable > > Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of > > Happiness. > > > > I commend any foreign national who understands the import of Jefferson's > words, but the US Declaration is not to be confused with constitutional > or statutory law. > > Foreign nationals are granted certain privileges under US law but > these are not to be confused with unalienable rights which apply to > citizens. Rights according to the founding principles of the United States apply to everyone because they are granted by a creator with a higher power than the United States. Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that the writers believed those rights existed even prior to that document let alone the formation of the United States. How can they have existed if they "only apply to citizens" of something which did not yet exist? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 16 May 2010 21:35 "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > >> > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > >> > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > Birth. > > I hope you never have children. I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that experience. -Greg
From: BAR on 16 May 2010 21:49 In article <85bkjoFp15U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com says... > > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > > >> > > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > > > Birth. > > > > I hope you never have children. > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that > experience. Think of the children.
From: William Clark on 16 May 2010 22:34 In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989f51(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <85bkjoFp15U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > says... > > > > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > > news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an infant? > > > > >> > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > > > > > Birth. > > > > > > I hope you never have children. > > > > I hope he does. We'll see how his cold view of life survives that > > experience. > > Think of the children. Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home.
From: Carbon on 16 May 2010 23:07
On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:01:05 -0400, William Clark wrote: > In article <MPG.265a175846128163989f49(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR > <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> In article <85apv7F4jbU2(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com >> says... >>> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>> news:he60v5916cp1npbb7g21h0ft17sh99hehs(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:09:57 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>> In article <4befeb08$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>> >>>>>> It is interesting to me that so many anti-abortion crusaders >>>>>> absolutely love capital punishment. Why is that? Is human life >>>>>> sacred or not (assuming for the sake of argument that fetuses are >>>>>> people, which they're not)? >>>>> >>>>> Should a man be condemed for what he does? >>>> No >>>> >>>>> Should a man be condemed for what he thinks? >>>> No >>>> >>>>> Should a man be condemed because he is an inconvienence? >>>> No >>>> >>>> Now reach down in that shallow brain pan and put these questions in >>>> response to Carbon's. Then you may realize that your status quo is >>>> a non sequitur. You really are all over the place and have no >>>> concentrated thought. >>> >>> BS BK. Bert's position on abortion is quite clear. He answered >>> Carb's questions quite well. The death penalty is based on the >>> choices the criminal makes. An unborn child has no choices. >>> >>> You, Carbs, and Billy need to deal with what he posts instead of >>> resorting to the "stupid" card. It makes you guys look >>> unintelligent. >> >> Bobby doesn't like opposing views and he doesn't like people who >> really don't care about his opinion of them. >> >> I answered Carb's questions. Bobby just doesn't like the way I >> answered them. > > That's because your answers were a) evasive and b) just plain dumb. It's all the can think of to do. |