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From: Alan Baker on 17 May 2010 22:45 In article <85e7i3FmpbU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-2F4A68.17081717052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <85e200FsbkU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Issues/Bioethics/Abortion/Fetus_in_ > > > Jewish_Law.shtml > > > > > > > > >That's quite a stretch from just the one verse. > > > > > > > > Yes, it is, and it's in the middle of a long list of dos and don'ts > > > > more or less based on Bible verses. The part I cited to was for a > > > > situation where an incident causes a miscarriage but doesn't harm the > > > > woman; the punishment is a fine. But if the woman is also harmed the > > > > whole "eye for an eye" principle kicks in. > > > > > > I hear ya. I just don't see it cut and dry that the premature birth is > a > > > miscarriage. Also, Scripture must be interpreted in light of context, > > > specifically verses that clearly refer to God fashioning life in the > womb > > > and referring to the unborn as a child or sons and daughters. In Luke > 1:43, > > > Elizabeth addressed Mary as "the mother of my Lord" before Jesus was > born. > > > Jeremiah 1:5 we are told that God KNEW Jeremiah:"Before I formed thee in > the > > > belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I > sanctified > > > thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." That's quite a > plan > > > for a glob of cells. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > God also claims to know people after their deaths. Does that make dead > > people alive? > > What do you care? You claim to be an atheist. > > -Greg I care in so far as you claim your morals are rooted in it and that abortion is immoral because it is the taking of a human life. I'm actually not surprised that you need to have this explained to you. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: John B. on 17 May 2010 22:47 On May 17, 7:53 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Mon, 17 May 2010 05:41:37 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> > wrote: > > >On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> > >wrote: > > >>First according to the Catholic Church, Last Rights are given to > >>people who are still alive. > > >>Second, the person must be a baptized member of the church in the > >>first place. > > >>Third, to receive Last Rights you must be of the age of reason. > > >But "original sin" means everybody has sin and needs to be saved - > >even newborns. > > The Catholic Church has a place called limbo for cases like that. I > heard a while back that the church reorganized the afterlife, so I'm > not sure if limbo still exists. In any case, I was just presenting > the Church's position. I really don't care to defend something that I > consider to be a total fantasy. It's called purgatory, not limbo, and the Church still says everybody stops there on their way to heaven. How long you stay depends on how much unabsolved sin you take with you. Some of the more radical Catholics believe there are ways to get the recently departed out of purgatory. I don't remember what they are.
From: John B. on 17 May 2010 22:49 On May 17, 9:07 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Howard Brazee" <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote in message > > news:4qn3v5h4puiavep5kjvu5cbocu2tl3gchg(a)4ax.com... > > > On Mon, 17 May 2010 10:53:57 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> > > wrote: > > > >In the Garden, God only asked man to believe one thing. Don't eat from > the > > >fruit of the Tree. Now He asks man to believe just one thing again. > > >Believe what his Son accomplished on the "tree." > > > Somehow God can't save everybody, but He can sacrifice his son, so > > that people who think the way the Saved people do, are forgiven. The > > mechanism for this isn't what I would call obvious. > > I don't make the assumption that He hasn't saved everybody...except for BK. > ;> > > > But it is easy to understand why people like to believe that their > > beliefs are right and everybody else is fooled and will be punished. > > Human nature. My belief and those who think like me are superior to those > who don't. > > -Greg That's not human nature. It's religious bigotry.
From: dene on 17 May 2010 23:24 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-50A5D8.19451217052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article <85e7i3FmpbU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > God also claims to know people after their deaths. Does that make dead > > > people alive? > > > > What do you care? You claim to be an atheist. > > > > -Greg > > I care in so far as you claim your morals are rooted in it and that > abortion is immoral because it is the taking of a human life. > > I'm actually not surprised that you need to have this explained to you. Baloney. If I thought you were sincere about this question or any other one, I'd take the time to respond. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 17 May 2010 23:33
In article <85efb6Fr62U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-50A5D8.19451217052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <85e7i3FmpbU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > > God also claims to know people after their deaths. Does that make dead > > > > people alive? > > > > > > What do you care? You claim to be an atheist. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > I care in so far as you claim your morals are rooted in it and that > > abortion is immoral because it is the taking of a human life. > > > > I'm actually not surprised that you need to have this explained to you. > > Baloney. If I thought you were sincere about this question or any other > one, I'd take the time to respond. I am sincere insofar as we are discussing your moral basis for opposing abortion. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |