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From: dene on 18 May 2010 17:13 "Billy" <wildbilly(a)withouta.net> wrote in message news:wildbilly-A3DC46.13503218052010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au... > > Why not let the person with the responsibility make the decision? Because it's a matter of life and death. -Greg
From: Billy on 18 May 2010 17:10 In article <MPG.2659b8b4ef9e3f82989f48(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <4befeb08$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:17:00 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > In article <8591c3FbssU1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com > > > says... > > >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >> news:4bef2683$0$21944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:19:03 -0700, dene wrote: > > >>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >>>> news:4beea1e1$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >>>> > > >>>>> And anyway, the woman has the right to choose, full stop. > > >>>> > > >>>> 200 years ago, men could own slaves. Doesn't make it right. > > >>> > > >>> This is what is really going on. You wish to impose your religious > > >>> values upon others, over-riding their natural sovereignty over their > > >>> own bodies. Greg, people have the right to make decisions you don't > > >>> like. > > >> > > >> Nice diversion but my views regarding innocent life has nothing to do > > >> with religion. I could make a claim that your disregard for the unborn > > >> has to do with atheism.....but that would be silly, wouldn't it? > > > > > > It is interesting to that a civilized society will condem a life, unborn > > > child, to death due to the mothers whims and wishes. But, when a man > > > commits murder, is tried, found guilty and sentenced to die for the > > > crime according to the criminal code that the civilized society put in > > > place there is extreme opposition. > > > > > > The argument that it is better to let 10 men fre rather than convict 1 > > > innocent man. What crime did the unborn child commit to be sentenced to > > > murder. > > > > It is interesting to me that so many anti-abortion crusaders absolutely > > love capital punishment. Why is that? Is human life sacred or not > > (assuming for the sake of argument that fetuses are people, which they're > > not) > > Should a man be condemed for what he does? > > Should a man be condemed for what he thinks? > > Should a man be condemed because he is an inconvienence? Tell that to the Third World where 2 billion people struggle to live on $2/day or less without clean water. Why are they an inconvenience? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 18 May 2010 17:22 In article <wclark2-7902EE.18003616052010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article <MPG.265a17922029c871989f4a(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <npe0v5df9m37t1fa04eg0at294dltml7oh(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 11:00:53 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > >news:he60v5916cp1npbb7g21h0ft17sh99hehs(a)4ax.com... > > > >> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:09:57 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >In article <4befeb08$0$4939$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > >> >nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > >> > > > >> >> It is interesting to me that so many anti-abortion crusaders > > > >> >> absolutely > > > >> >> love capital punishment. Why is that? Is human life sacred or not > > > >> >> (assuming for the sake of argument that fetuses are people, which > > > >they're > > > >> >> not)? > > > >> > > > > >> >Should a man be condemed for what he does? > > > >> No > > > >> > > > > >> >Should a man be condemed for what he thinks? > > > >> No > > > >> > > > > >> >Should a man be condemed because he is an inconvienence? > > > >> No > > > >> > > > >> Now reach down in that shallow brain pan and put these questions in > > > >> response to Carbon's. Then you may realize that your status quo is a > > > >> non sequitur. You really are all over the place and have no > > > >> concentrated thought. > > > >> > > > >> BK > > > > > > > >BS BK. Bert's position on abortion is quite clear. He answered Carb's > > > >questions quite well. The death penalty is based on the choices the > > > >criminal makes. An unborn child has no choices. > > No, abortion is based on the sanctity of human life, and the fact that > it is simply wrong to take one. It should apply to all, therefore, and > cannot be amended by the fact that they commit a heinous crime. Fancy > footwork about "choices" that negate that right at just simple evasion. Sanctity of human life? And US backed death squads in Central America blowing up clinics, schools, and churches? Where was your concern for the sanctity of human life, then? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 18 May 2010 17:29 In article <2dcc3d95-441d-40e2-9a3d-2903b7c5270f(a)c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 16, 10:34�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > In article <MPG.265a6ab0bb1b43bf989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <85bkjoFp1...(a)mid.individual.net>, d...(a)remove.ipns.com > > > says... > > > > > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message > > > >news:MPG.2659b75cc147c258989f46(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > > In article <4befea12$0$12163$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 May 2010 08:18:51 -0400, BAR wrote: > > > > > > > In article <4bef658d$0$4863$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > >> On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:52:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> Do you believe killing an embryo is the same as killing an > > > > > > >>> infant? > > > > > > > > >> No. Embryos are not people. > > > > > > > > > When does life begin? > > > > > > > > Birth. > > > > > > > I hope you never have children. > > > > > > I hope he does. �We'll see how his cold view of life survives that > > > > experience. > > > > > Think of the children. > > > > Life begins when the dog dies and the kids leave home. > > Life begins when the grandchildren are born. I'm looking forward to > that more than I looked forward to the births of my own kids. Life should be looking for the beginnings, not the ends "when the dog dies and the kids leave home." Man, that is pathetic. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on 18 May 2010 17:30
In article <dqyHn.5146$%u7.3947(a)newsfe14.iad>, "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > "Billy" <wildbilly(a)withouta.net> wrote in message > news:wildbilly-A519DE.23061314052010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au... > > In article <855cn8Fe5rU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > >> "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > >> news:MPG.2657136beaaf489a989f0c(a)news.giganews.com... > >> > In article <alangbaker-A1F417.00590114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > >> > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > >> > > > >> > > In article <7n_Gn.6403$mi.2229(a)newsfe01.iad>, > >> > > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >> > > > news:l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7bo9h(a)4ax.com... > >> > > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or > >> property > >> > > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > >> > > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > >> > > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > >> > > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > >> > > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > ...right to due process. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > This is the same constitution wherein we have uncovered a right to > >> abortion. > >> > > > We don't take what the constitution actually says literally > >> > > > anymore. > >> > > > >> > > Your constitution makes it very clear on the subject of rights that > >> > > it > >> > > was never providing a definitive and exhaustive list of all the > >> > > rights > >> > > that people possess. > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Glad I had a chance to clear that up. > >> > > > >> > > You should try reading and understanding the document before you > >> > > "clear" > >> > > anything up about it. > >> > > >> > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > >> > constitution exists today? > >> > > >> > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > >> > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > >> > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > >> > either way. > >> > > >> > I guess it is ok to kill unborn children because they cannot speak for > >> > themselves. > >> > >> The vast majority are victims of convenience. > >> > >> -Greg > > > > When do they become conscious? When are they just a mass of cells? > > What about all the other semen? What about all the wasted eggs of > > menstruation? Who is going to cry for them? Should women have all their > > eggs harvested, and dipped into a vat of redundant semen? > > There is nothing like a good old fashioned abortion discussion to fully > highlight the complete moral bankruptcy of the left. Not that I am being > critical, some of the funniest things you can read are posts where liberals > bend and contort to try to come up with defenses for abortion. Fun stuff! Where can I find this fun stuff? I'm dyin'here. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |