From: plainolamerican on
On May 13, 1:10 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<beta...(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> On May 13, 11:48 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 13 May 2010 10:39:55 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers
>
> > are MURDERERS" <beta...(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >On May 13, 6:15 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> > >> This should clear up one misconception here.
>
> > >> The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says:
>
> > >> ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property
> > >> ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
> > >> jurisdiction the equal protection of the law.
>
> > >> ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all
> > >> ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality.
> > >> ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have
> > >> ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the
> > >> ...right to due process.
>
> > >> BK
>
> > >The first words in the constitution are "We the people of the united
> > >states" and that makes it clear the words people or person refer to
> > >citizens.  The SC takes their usual bribes from Business and ignores
> > >this.
>
> > You're an idiot....and prove it over and over.  Keep it up, we need
> > the laughs.
>
> HAHAHA. You still don't get it. When you resort to namecalling you're
> just admitting you know you're wrong.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
---
everyone who drives speeds - dumbass hypocrite


From: Billy on
In article
<75a5869c-9c28-41ad-93a6-299a82e29cfa(a)e21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> [snip]
> >
> > Good, because Bishop Oscar Romero, Sisters Dorothy Kazel, Maura Clarke,
> > and Ita Ford, and lay-missionary Jean Donovan deserve to be remembered
> > for their humanity, and the Administration of Ronald Reagan needs to be
> > remembered for its depravity, and ruthlessness.
>
> Right on. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who remembers these
> atrocities, perpetrated by a government that the U.S. funded and
> supported.
> >
> > Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion by
> > Gary Webb, ought to be required reading for every
> > American.http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Alliance-Contras-Cocaine-Explosion/dp/18
> > 88...
> > 32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274334283&sr=1-1
>
> This isn't the book about the CIA selling crack in L.A., is it? That
> theory has been completely debunked.

Where?
>
> >
> > The same guys are still running the store, and as long as we argue about
> > abortion and illegal aliens, and not the blockage of the enhanced
> > clean-up liabilities for oil companies, or the weakening of the ban on
> > Wall St. acting as brokers for most forms of derivatives trades, in the
> > financial regulation bill, the guys in the store will be happy.
> > --
> > - Billy
> > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito
> > Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUghttp://www.thirdworldtra
> > veler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on
In article
<75a5869c-9c28-41ad-93a6-299a82e29cfa(a)e21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> [snip]
> >
> > Good, because Bishop Oscar Romero, Sisters Dorothy Kazel, Maura Clarke,
> > and Ita Ford, and lay-missionary Jean Donovan deserve to be remembered
> > for their humanity, and the Administration of Ronald Reagan needs to be
> > remembered for its depravity, and ruthlessness.
>
> Right on. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who remembers these
> atrocities, perpetrated by a government that the U.S. funded and
> supported.
> >
> > Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion by
> > Gary Webb, ought to be required reading for every
> > American.http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Alliance-Contras-Cocaine-Explosion/dp/18
> > 88...
> > 32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274334283&sr=1-1
>
> This isn't the book about the CIA selling crack in L.A., is it? That
> theory has been completely debunked.

Again, where?

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com Review
In July 1995, San Jose Mercury-News reporter Gary Webb found the Big
One--the blockbuster story every journalist secretly dreams
about--without even looking for it. A simple phone call concerning an
unexceptional pending drug trial turned into a massive conspiracy
involving the Nicaraguan Contra rebels, L.A. and Bay Area crack cocaine
dealers, and the Central Intelligence Agency. For several years during
the 1980s, Webb discovered, Contra elements shuttled thousands of tons
of cocaine into the United States, with the profits going toward the
funding of Contra rebels attempting a counterrevolution in their
Nicaraguan homeland. Even more chilling, Webb quickly realized, was that
the massive drug-dealing operation had the implicit approval--and
occasional outright support--of the CIA, the very organization entrusted
to prevent illegal drugs from being brought into the United States.
Within the pages of Dark Alliance, Webb produces a massive amount of
evidence that suggests that such a scenario did take place, and more
disturbing evidence that the powers that be that allowed such an
alliance are still determined to ruthlessly guard their secrets. Webb's
research is impeccable--names, dates, places, and dollar amounts gather
and mount with every page, eventually building a towering wall of
evidence in support of his theories. After the original series of
articles ran in the Mercury-News in late 1996, both Webb and his paper
were so severely criticized by political commentators, government
officials, and other members of the press that his own newspaper decided
it best not to stand behind the series, in effect apologizing for the
assertions and disavowing his work. Webb quit the paper in disgust in
November 1997. His book serves as both a complex memoir of the time of
the Contras and an indictment of the current state of America's press;
Dark Alliance is as necessary and valuable as it is horrifying and grim.
--Tjames Madison --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Review
....a densely researched, passionately argued, acronym-laden 548-page
volume. -- The Los Angeles Times Sunday Book Review, Michael Massing

I find his argument to be very well documented, very careful and very
convincing. In fact, the readability of the book suffers a bit from what
seems to have been a fear that if he didn't include absolutely every bit
of evidence he had unearthed, he would open himself up to new criticisms
of inadequate reporting--but this editor's quibble shouldn't stop anyone
from buying and reading Dark Alliance. Long-time followers of the contra
tale are likely to find new revelations in the book.... -- The Nation,
Jo Ann Kawell --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
--------

In 2006 the LA Times published The Truth in `Dark Alliance,� in which
L.A. Times Managing Editor Leo Wolinsky is quoted saying "in some ways,
Gary got too much blame...He did exactly what you expect from a great
investigative reporter." The article surveys mainstream reporting at the
time of Webb's pieces and states that while Webb had committed
"hyperbole" and included some unproven allegations, articles by the New
York Times "didn�t include the success he achieved or the wrongs he
righted � and they were considerable" according to Walt Bogdanich, now a
New York Times editor, who had known Webb earlier.

The LA Times piece criticizes its own unfair portrayal of Webb -- "we
dropped the ball" -- and notes that "spurred on by Webb�s story,

**the CIA conducted an internal investigation that acknowledged in March
1998 that the agency had covered up Contra drug trafficking for more
than a decade"**

and concludes that "History will tell if Webb receives the credit he�s
due for prodding the CIA to acknowledge its shameful collaboration with
drug dealers. Meanwhile, the journalistic establishment is only
beginning to recognize that the controversy over �Dark Alliance� had
more to do with poor editing than bad reporting [on Webb's part]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb


> >
> > The same guys are still running the store, and as long as we argue about
> > abortion and illegal aliens, and not the blockage of the enhanced
> > clean-up liabilities for oil companies, or the weakening of the ban on
> > Wall St. acting as brokers for most forms of derivatives trades, in the
> > financial regulation bill, the guys in the store will be happy.
> > --
> > - Billy
> > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito
> > Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUghttp://www.thirdworldtra
> > veler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: Billy on
In article <85ge01FeetU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> "Billy" <wildbilly(a)withouta.net> wrote in message
> news:wildbilly-A3DC46.13503218052010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
>
> >
> > Why not let the person with the responsibility make the decision?
>
> Because it's a matter of life and death.
>
> -Greg

From conception to the end of the first month, you are talking about an
amorphous mass of cells. By the end of the second month, the fetus has
lost it gills and tail. There is life and death all around us, and to
hold on to all life, insures the more rapid approach of death for all of
us. Evolution can't continue without birth, but over population is going
to cause the whole ecosystem to come crashing down on all of us. We
can't support more than 9 billion people, and we really need to get the
numbers back to around 3 billion or less. Hard decisions. Lots of people
aren't going to get born, one way or another.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
From: John B. on
On May 21, 3:14 pm, Billy <wildbi...(a)withouta.net> wrote:
> In article
> <75a5869c-9c28-41ad-93a6-299a82e29...(a)e21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>  "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > Good, because Bishop Oscar Romero, Sisters Dorothy Kazel, Maura Clarke,
> > > and Ita Ford, and lay-missionary Jean Donovan deserve to be remembered
> > > for their humanity, and the Administration of Ronald Reagan needs to be
> > > remembered for its depravity, and ruthlessness.
>
> > Right on. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who remembers these
> > atrocities, perpetrated by a government that the U.S. funded and
> > supported.
>
> > > Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion by
> > > Gary Webb, ought to be required reading for every
> > > American.http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Alliance-Contras-Cocaine-Explosion/dp/18
> > > 88...
> > > 32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274334283&sr=1-1
>
> > This isn't the book about the CIA selling crack in L.A., is it? That
> > theory has been completely debunked.
>
> Again,  where?
>
> Editorial Reviews
> Amazon.com Review
> In July 1995, San Jose Mercury-News reporter Gary Webb found the Big
> One--the blockbuster story every journalist secretly dreams
> about--without even looking for it. A simple phone call concerning an
> unexceptional pending drug trial turned into a massive conspiracy
> involving the Nicaraguan Contra rebels, L.A. and Bay Area crack cocaine
> dealers, and the Central Intelligence Agency. For several years during
> the 1980s, Webb discovered, Contra elements shuttled thousands of tons
> of cocaine into the United States, with the profits going toward the
> funding of Contra rebels attempting a counterrevolution in their
> Nicaraguan homeland. Even more chilling, Webb quickly realized, was that
> the massive drug-dealing operation had the implicit approval--and
> occasional outright support--of the CIA, the very organization entrusted
> to prevent illegal drugs from being brought into the United States.
> Within the pages of Dark Alliance, Webb produces a massive amount of
> evidence that suggests that such a scenario did take place, and more
> disturbing evidence that the powers that be that allowed such an
> alliance are still determined to ruthlessly guard their secrets. Webb's
> research is impeccable--names, dates, places, and dollar amounts gather
> and mount with every page, eventually building a towering wall of
> evidence in support of his theories. After the original series of
> articles ran in the Mercury-News in late 1996, both Webb and his paper
> were so severely criticized by political commentators, government
> officials, and other members of the press that his own newspaper decided
> it best not to stand behind the series, in effect apologizing for the
> assertions and disavowing his work. Webb quit the paper in disgust in
> November 1997. His book serves as both a complex memoir of the time of
> the Contras and an indictment of the current state of America's press;
> Dark Alliance is as necessary and valuable as it is horrifying and grim.
> --Tjames Madison --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
>
> Review
> ...a densely researched, passionately argued, acronym-laden 548-page
> volume. -- The Los Angeles Times Sunday Book Review, Michael Massing
>
> I find his argument to be very well documented, very careful and very
> convincing. In fact, the readability of the book suffers a bit from what
> seems to have been a fear that if he didn't include absolutely every bit
> of evidence he had unearthed, he would open himself up to new criticisms
> of inadequate reporting--but this editor's quibble shouldn't stop anyone
> from buying and reading Dark Alliance. Long-time followers of the contra
> tale are likely to find new revelations in the book.... -- The Nation,
> Jo Ann Kawell --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
> --------
>
> In 2006 the LA Times published The Truth in `Dark Alliance,¹ in which
> L.A. Times Managing Editor Leo Wolinsky is quoted saying "in some ways,
> Gary got too much blame...He did exactly what you expect from a great
> investigative reporter." The article surveys mainstream reporting at the
> time of Webb's pieces and states that while Webb had committed
> "hyperbole" and included some unproven allegations, articles by the New
> York Times "didn¹t include the success he achieved or the wrongs he
> righted ­ and they were considerable" according to Walt Bogdanich, now a
> New York Times editor, who had known Webb earlier.
>
> The LA Times piece criticizes its own unfair portrayal of Webb -- "we
> dropped the ball" -- and notes that "spurred on by Webb¹s story,
>
> **the CIA conducted an internal investigation that acknowledged in March
> 1998 that the agency had covered up Contra drug trafficking for more
> than a decade"**
>
> and concludes that "History will tell if Webb receives the credit he¹s
> due for prodding the CIA to acknowledge its shameful collaboration with
> drug dealers. Meanwhile, the journalistic establishment is only
> beginning to recognize that the controversy over ³Dark Alliance² had
> more to do with poor editing than bad reporting [on Webb's part]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb
>
>
>
> > > The same guys are still running the store, and as long as we argue about
> > > abortion and illegal aliens, and not the blockage of the enhanced
> > > clean-up liabilities for oil companies, or the weakening of the ban on
> > > Wall St. acting as brokers for most forms of derivatives trades, in the
> > > financial regulation bill, the guys in the store will be happy.
> > > --
> > > - Billy
> > > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> > > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito
> > > Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUghttp://www.thirdworldtra
> > > veler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
>
> --
> - Billy
> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
> merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUghttp://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

From your link:

On May 11, 1997, Mercury News executive editor Jerry Ceppos published
an editorial describing the series as an "important work" and "solidly
documented," but criticized the series for a reliance on one
interpretation of complicated, sometimes-conflicting pieces of
evidence; failing to estimate the amount of money involved; for
oversimplifying the crack epidemic; and for creating impressions that
were open to misinterpretation through imprecise language and
graphics. . . . On December 18, 1997, The Washington Post and The New
York Times reported that CIA Inspector General Frederick Hitz's
investigation found no links between the CIA and the cocaine
traffickers.