Illegal alien rights in the U.S.
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From: dene on 14 May 2010 14:39 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:3b5ru59rjje1hpd2du2nlrupi8ll4h7g63(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:47:11 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >On May 14, 12:45 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >> > >> news:alangbaker-656F4A.00591414052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > In article <MPG.265643159bd6602a989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > >> > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > In article <l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7b...(a)4ax.com>, > >> > > bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > >> > >> > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > >> > >> > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > >> > >> > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > >> > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > >> > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > >> > >> > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > >> > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > >> > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > >> > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > >> > > > ...right to due process. > >> > >> > > There are exceptions. > >> > >> > Such as? > >> > >> The personnel of an invading army. > >> > >> -Greg > > > >I think he's got you there, Alan. > > Then outer space aliens too I guess. > Ask Mulder. -Greg
From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 14:38 In article <1WaHn.19457$_84.4068(a)newsfe18.iad>, "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-A1F417.00590114052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <7n_Gn.6403$mi.2229(a)newsfe01.iad>, > > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > >> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >> news:l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7bo9h(a)4ax.com... > >> > This should clear up one misconception here. > >> > > >> > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > >> > > >> > > >> > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > >> > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > >> > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > >> > > >> > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > >> > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > >> > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > >> > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > >> > ...right to due process. > >> > >> > >> This is the same constitution wherein we have uncovered a right to > >> abortion. > >> We don't take what the constitution actually says literally anymore. > > > > Your constitution makes it very clear on the subject of rights that it > > was never providing a definitive and exhaustive list of all the rights > > that people possess. > > My point, numbnuts, is that we ignore the constitutional rights of people > who are unfortunate enough to not yet be birthed. This non-trivial tidbit > seems to go miles over the heads of certain people. No, actually. We accept that children's rights are held in trust by their parents, and as a society, we've come to believe that the right to life is one that the the mother holds in trust until the child is born. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 14:41 In article <MPG.2657136beaaf489a989f0c(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <alangbaker-A1F417.00590114052010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > In article <7n_Gn.6403$mi.2229(a)newsfe01.iad>, > > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > > > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > news:l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7bo9h(a)4ax.com... > > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > > > > > > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > > > > > > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > > > > ...right to due process. > > > > > > > > > This is the same constitution wherein we have uncovered a right to > > > abortion. > > > We don't take what the constitution actually says literally anymore. > > > > Your constitution makes it very clear on the subject of rights that it > > was never providing a definitive and exhaustive list of all the rights > > that people possess. > > > > > > > > Glad I had a chance to clear that up. > > > > You should try reading and understanding the document before you "clear" > > anything up about it. > > What rights are not codified in the US constitution as the US > constitution exists today? The document is very clear that there are rights in doesn't enumerate. You don't seriously disagree with this, do you? > > If you kill a pregnant mother you can be charged with two murders. > However, if you kill an unborn child, via abortion, you cannot be > charged with murder. What is the difference? The unborn child is dead > either way. Parents hold their offsprings rights in trust. A parent can decide that they will move self and child across the country and if the child doesn't like it, confine the child to his or her room. But if a third party does that, it's called kidnapping. What's the difference in that case? > > I guess it is ok to kill unborn children because they cannot speak for > themselves. Precisely. Until they are born, parents hold the right to life of their offspring in trust. *They* get to decide and not the child. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 14 May 2010 14:44 In article <855cqaFelhU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-656F4A.00591414052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <MPG.265643159bd6602a989efa(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7bo9h(a)4ax.com>, > > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > > > > > > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > > > > > > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > > > > ...right to due process. > > > > > > There are exceptions. > > > > Such as? > > The personnel of an invading army. > > -Greg How so? While they are invading, defending oneself is allowed. Once they are captured, they are afforded due process of law. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: John B. on 14 May 2010 14:59
On May 14, 2:44 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <855cqaFel...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > >news:alangbaker-656F4A.00591414052010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > In article <MPG.265643159bd6602a989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <l9rnu5dugg77jus2l08hs6ms20udi7b...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > This should clear up one misconception here. > > > > > > The fourteenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: > > > > > > ...Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property > > > > > ...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its > > > > > jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. > > > > > > ...The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all > > > > > ...persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. > > > > > ...Therefore, U.S. residents -- legal and illegal -- have > > > > > ...constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the > > > > > ...right to due process. > > > > > There are exceptions. > > > > Such as? > > > The personnel of an invading army. > > > -Greg > > How so? > > While they are invading, defending oneself is allowed. Once they are > captured, they are afforded due process of law. > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> Allowing them due process of law is a far cry from giving them all the rights that accrue to U.S. citizens. |