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From: The Hammer on 19 Oct 2009 14:25 On Oct 19, 2:01 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <8934936e-f090-4dd9-9841-693d307ef...(a)f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Oct 17, 4:36 pm, The Hammer <GaGolfer2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 12:31 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > Guardian life insurance company of America issued a policy to a > > > > resident of the state of New York with muscular dystrophy. Their > > > > annual payout to keep him alive is more than a million dollars. > > > > The Washington Times reported that since it would be illegal to cancel > > > > this one person's policy, Guardian legally cancelled the whole line > > > > of coverage that insured everybody like him in the state of New York, > > > > which wiped out an entire class of policy holders to avoid paying out > > > > for one person. > > > > > The Washington Times also reported that, "in an email one Guardian > > > > life insurance co. executive called high-cost patients such as Mr. > > > > Pearl, 'Dogs' that the company could 'get rid of.' " > > > > > Guardian's net income for 2008 was $437 million. > > > > > BK > > > > This is unfortunate, but the sad reality is that there are only so > > > much financial resources out there. The goal of a private insurance > > > company is to make a profit, or meet their costs at the very least, > > > while at the same time please as many policyholders as they can. The > > > needs of the few are outweighed by the needs of the many. This is > > > unfortunate, I do not endose this, but that is just the way it is. > > > > If the government takes over these payments, do you think they will > > > readily assume the annual payment of $1 million + dollars?. There is > > > not enough money there either, you can only tax people so much, tax > > > the insurance companies so much, and cut Medicare and reimbursements > > > to physicians. So, while the insurance company is rationing, the > > > government will find a way to ration also. There is simply not > > > enough money to go around, and physicians and hospitals will not do > > > the work for nothing, their overhead is alarming and without revenue > > > they cease to exist. We are seeing Darwinism in action here, the > > > weak will perish, the strong will survive. That is very unfortunate, > > > but society does not have unlimited resources to do custodial care as > > > this for millions of patients, they may just have to die. And while > > > that is very sad, it breaks my heart, that is they way it will > > > probably be. Because we have a government that has set its > > > priorities. There is always money it seems to conduct false wars, > > > bail out banks and brokerage houses, bail out failed industries, give > > > favors to prized political contributors, fund stupid pork projects, > > > and help foreign nations rebuild their infrastructures, but it seems > > > there is never enough to take care of the weak and sick. A good > > > example, New Orleans is still a mess, will remain a mess, but > > > there is always money to rebuild elsewhere. This President promised > > > change, he is a bigger liar and panderer than any before when it comes > > > to enabling big business and handing out political favors. It is sad, > > > but the people who supported Obama the most and bought into this BS > > > line of hope, are the ones at the front of the line to get screwed. > > > Bush was a fool, we now have a bigger fool in place. He could not > > > care less about the sick and weak, all he cares about is political > > > power. This has nothing to do with health care, anyone that buys > > > into anything else is just plain stupid. And these stupid people will > > > be the first in line to play the victum card when this all passes and > > > they find themselves taxed to death, and with less to show for all > > > these taxes. > > > He caught you hook, line and sinker! Firstly, what would cause DMD to > > cost a million bucks in a year? It's absurd. There is no cure for it. > > All you can do is alleviate the symptoms. > > > Secondly. I heard the same company doled out $4 million to treat a > > woman with a rare form of breast cancer when they didn't have to. They > > just comped it to her. > > > I've also heard of many pharmaceutical companies comping expensive > > cancer drugs to people who lack financial resources. > > But you don't have a cite for ay of these urban legends, do you?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You are not having a good day either Clark. Here is another link to showing all the good pharmaceuticals do in helping those less fortnunate: www.copd-international.com/copdadvocate/drugs.htm Do your homework next time.
From: bknight on 19 Oct 2009 15:04 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >On Oct 19, 1:01�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- >state.edu> wrote: >> In article >> <8934936e-f090-4dd9-9841-693d307ef...(a)f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, >> >> >> >> �Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: >> > Secondly. I heard the same company doled out $4 million to treat a >> > woman with a rare form of breast cancer when they didn't have to. They >> > just comped it to her. >> But you don't have a cite for any of these urban legends, do you? > >Oh, I'm sorry...The Washington Times reported that with respect to >"death panels", in the government plan an "office will be reserved for >people willing to recruit into the government-subsidized health care >system insurance companies that are willing to take money to take >human lives." A perfect example of non sequitur Rob. Spin, spin, spin when you have no answer. Now let's have the cite about what you said above. You know, the $4 million dole out. BK
From: Kommienezuspadt on 19 Oct 2009 15:16 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:sa7pd5pov2cfma0scd3uvpbuecegnsksu8(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:58:18 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > >>On Oct 17, 4:36 pm, The Hammer <GaGolfer2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Oct 17, 12:31 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > Guardian life insurance company of America issued a policy to a >>> > resident of the state of New York with muscular dystrophy. Their >>> > annual payout to keep him alive is more than a million dollars. >>> > The Washington Times reported that since it would be illegal to cancel >>> > this one person's policy, Guardian legally cancelled the whole line >>> > of coverage that insured everybody like him in the state of New York, >>> > which wiped out an entire class of policy holders to avoid paying out >>> > for one person. >>> >>> > The Washington Times also reported that, "in an email one Guardian >>> > life insurance co. executive called high-cost patients such as Mr. >>> > Pearl, 'Dogs' that the company could 'get rid of.' " >>> >>> > Guardian's net income for 2008 was $437 million. >>> >>> > BK >>> >>> This is unfortunate, but the sad reality is that there are only so >>> much financial resources out there. The goal of a private insurance >>> company is to make a profit, or meet their costs at the very least, >>> while at the same time please as many policyholders as they can. The >>> needs of the few are outweighed by the needs of the many. This is >>> unfortunate, I do not endose this, but that is just the way it is. > >>He caught you hook, line and sinker! Firstly, what would cause DMD to >>cost a million bucks in a year? It's absurd. There is no cure for it. >>All you can do is alleviate the symptoms. > > Caught him? All I did was pass on an article from the Washington > Times. As far as the disease, it matters not what the payout is for, > alleviation or cure. They owe it to anyone who has paid their > premiums. >> >>Secondly. I heard the same company doled out $4 million to treat a >>woman with a rare form of breast cancer when they didn't have to. They >>just comped it to her. >> > Great. Cite where you heard this. I've been involved with a lot of > insurance payouts, but never one that they didn't have to give. > G. Beck got it from the same blogger that made up the 2 million teabaggersin DC. Jr. got it from Beck. >>I've also heard of many pharmaceutical companies comping expensive >>cancer drugs to people who lack financial resources. > > That is true, but they aren't insurance companies. > > BK
From: Kommienezuspadt on 19 Oct 2009 15:18 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:osdpd5p99h6dvbm6bpbjfnusfkj40q28ln(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > >>On Oct 19, 1:01 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- >>state.edu> wrote: >>> In article >>> <8934936e-f090-4dd9-9841-693d307ef...(a)f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, >>> >>> >>> >>> Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >>> > Secondly. I heard the same company doled out $4 million to treat a >>> > woman with a rare form of breast cancer when they didn't have to. They >>> > just comped it to her. > >>> But you don't have a cite for any of these urban legends, do you? >> >>Oh, I'm sorry...The Washington Times reported that with respect to >>"death panels", in the government plan an "office will be reserved for >>people willing to recruit into the government-subsidized health care >>system insurance companies that are willing to take money to take >>human lives." > > A perfect example of non sequitur Rob. Spin, spin, spin when you have > no answer. > > Now let's have the cite about what you said above. You know, the $4 > million dole out. > > BK expect crickets........
From: bknight on 19 Oct 2009 15:18
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:05:59 -0700 (PDT), The Hammer <GaGolfer2009(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Oct 19, 2:48�pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:39:04 -0700 (PDT), The Hammer >> > I don't have a problem with you at all personally, no one is trying to >personally start a fight with you, this is about what you wrote. It >is condemining a company and industry , without telling 90% of the >whole story. I'll try again Eric. Get someone with common sense to explain it to you. I quoted a newspaper article, and didn't condemn an industry, but one company. That is 100% of the story. I feel that this specific company was wrong. The fact that you just ignore that I've said that several times and go on to rant about other facets that haven't been discussed is maddening. BK |