From: Clitlip on
On Oct 19 2009 7:13 PM, bknight wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:42:16 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote in message
> >news:9eb23e8c-e5d7-49fd-b86f-56b7b0157d9a(a)e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> >On Oct 19, 2:34 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> >state.edu> wrote:
> >> In article <osdpd5p99h6dvbm6bpbjfnusfkj40q2...(a)4ax.com>,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr
> >> > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> Spin, spin spin into incomprehensible gobbledygook.
> >
> >Yup. No different than the OP for this thread.
> >------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Whose author promised to never participate in political threads....
> >
> >-Greg
> >
> You're kidding. There was nothing political about this thread by me,
> nor did I respond to anything political.
>
> You just can't get anything right.
> BK

You started this thread. It is clearly non-golf related. You knew the
response it would generate. Are you that bored Wobbly?

The likes of you, that is why RSG is the POS it is today! Thank you
Wobbly for making your contribution.

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From: dene on

"Clitlip" <a80526c(a)webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:fvdvq6xneu.ln2(a)recgroups.com...
> On Oct 19 2009 7:13 PM, bknight wrote:

> > >------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Whose author promised to never participate in political threads....
> > >
> > >-Greg

Then B.O.B. lies by saying....

> > You're kidding. There was nothing political about this thread by me,
> > nor did I respond to anything political.
> >
> > You just can't get anything right.
> > BK

> You started this thread. It is clearly non-golf related. You knew the
> response it would generate. Are you that bored Wobbly?
>
> The likes of you, that is why RSG is the POS it is today! Thank you
> Wobbly for making your contribution.

Bingo!

Once again, Knit lies and then tries to spin his way out of it. He deludes
himself into thinking the reader isn't intelligent enough to see through it.

Pathetic.

-Greg


From: William Clark on
In article
<a8924f96-a99c-4633-958d-aefa010c78d8(a)d23g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
The Hammer <GaGolfer2009(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Oct 19, 3:27�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> state.edu> wrote:
> > In article
> > <597feff7-0154-4d9c-9f1d-bf73bcd7f...(a)e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > �The Hammer <GaGolfer2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 19, 2:01�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> > > state.edu> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <8934936e-f090-4dd9-9841-693d307ef...(a)f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Oct 17, 4:36�pm, The Hammer <GaGolfer2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Oct 17, 12:31�pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Guardian life insurance company of America �issued a policy to a
> > > > > > > resident of the state of New York with muscular dystrophy. �Their
> > > > > > > annual payout to keep him alive is more than a million dollars.
> > > > > > > The Washington Times reported that since it would be illegal to
> > > > > > > cancel
> > > > > > > this one person's policy, �Guardian �legally cancelled the whole
> > > > > > > line
> > > > > > > of coverage that insured everybody like him in the state of New
> > > > > > > York,
> > > > > > > which wiped out an entire class of policy holders to avoid paying
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > for one person. �
> >
> > > > > > > The Washington Times also reported that, "in an email one
> > > > > > > Guardian
> > > > > > > life insurance co. executive called high-cost patients such as
> > > > > > > Mr.
> > > > > > > Pearl, 'Dogs' that the company could 'get rid of.' "
> >
> > > > > > > Guardian's net income for 2008 was $437 million.
> >
> > > > > > > BK
> >
> > > > > > This is unfortunate, but the sad reality is that there are only so
> > > > > > much financial resources out there. � The goal of a private
> > > > > > insurance
> > > > > > company is to make a profit, �or meet their costs at the very
> > > > > > least,
> > > > > > while at the same time please as many policyholders as they can.
> > > > > > �The
> > > > > > needs of the few are outweighed by the needs of the many. �This is
> > > > > > unfortunate, I do not endose this, but that is just the way it is.
> >
> > > > > > If the government takes over these payments, do you think they will
> > > > > > readily assume the annual payment of $1 million + dollars?. �There
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > not enough money there either, you can only tax people so much, tax
> > > > > > the insurance companies �so much, and cut Medicare and
> > > > > > reimbursements
> > > > > > to physicians. � So, while the insurance company is rationing, the
> > > > > > government will find a way to ration also. � There is simply not
> > > > > > enough money to go around, and physicians and hospitals will �not
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > the work for nothing, their overhead is alarming and without
> > > > > > revenue
> > > > > > they cease to exist. � �We are seeing Darwinism in action here, the
> > > > > > weak will perish, the strong will survive. �That is very
> > > > > > unfortunate,
> > > > > > but society does not have unlimited resources to do custodial care
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > this for millions of patients, they may just have to die. � And
> > > > > > while
> > > > > > that is very sad, it breaks my heart, that is they way it will
> > > > > > probably be. �Because we have a government that has set its
> > > > > > priorities. �There is always money it seems to conduct false wars,
> > > > > > bail out banks and brokerage houses, bail out failed industries,
> > > > > > �give
> > > > > > favors to prized political contributors, fund stupid pork projects,
> > > > > > and � help foreign nations rebuild their infrastructures, but it
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > there is never enough to take care of the weak and sick. �A good
> > > > > > example, � New Orleans is still a mess, will remain a mess, � but
> > > > > > there is always money to rebuild elsewhere. � �This President
> > > > > > promised
> > > > > > change, he is a bigger liar and panderer than any before when it
> > > > > > comes
> > > > > > to enabling big business and handing out political favors. �It is
> > > > > > sad,
> > > > > > but the people who supported Obama the most and bought into this BS
> > > > > > line of hope, are the ones at the front of the line to get screwed.
> > > > > > Bush was a fool, we now have a bigger fool in place. �He could not
> > > > > > care less about the sick and weak, all he cares about is political
> > > > > > power. �This has nothing to do with health care, �anyone that buys
> > > > > > into anything else is just plain stupid. �And these stupid people
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > be the first in line to play the victum card when this all passes
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > they �find themselves taxed to death, and �with less to show for
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > these taxes.
> >
> > > > > He caught you hook, line and sinker! Firstly, what would cause DMD to
> > > > > cost a million bucks in a year? It's absurd. There is no cure for it.
> > > > > All you can do is alleviate the symptoms.
> >
> > > > > Secondly. I heard the same company doled out $4 million to treat a
> > > > > woman with a rare form of breast cancer when they didn't have to.
> > > > > They
> > > > > just comped it to her.
> >
> > > > > I've also heard of many pharmaceutical companies comping expensive
> > > > > cancer drugs to people who lack financial resources.
> >
> > > > But you don't have a cite for ay of these urban legends, do you?- Hide
> > > > quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > You are not having a good day either Clark. � Here is another link to
> > > showing �all the good pharmaceuticals do in helping those less
> > > fortnunate:
> >
> > >www.copd-international.com/copdadvocate/drugs.htm
> >
> > > Do your homework next time.
> >
> > No, I was really referring to the fairytale that insurance companies go
> > out of their way to offer excess coverage - unless they have been made a
> > spectacle of in the media first. Pharmaceuticals do this all the time -
> > it is part of the advertising budget to them, and they easily recoup it
> > in revenue.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You are spinning pal. You said what you said, don't spin and tell us
> about what you were "really" referring to. You said it was an urban
> legend about pharmaceuticals comping people for drugs. If you were
> referring to something else, you would have said it. Next time, do
> your homework before making such an ill informed, blanket statement.
> I bet you would not give your students a pass for making sloppy
> generalizations as you have

No, they don't "comp" drugs any more than bars "comp" drinks for happy
hour. Thi is not altruism, it is simply PR, and the costs are readily
recouped in increased revenue from the sale of the drugs.

Now, before you go on blathering and making yourself look foolish, tell
me about the reference to the insurance companies "comping" coverage in
any instance where they were not forced to in order to avoid negative
publicity. OK?
From: William Clark on
In article
<115ae021-ff59-4fb5-8ed6-d74ddec863e1(a)m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:

> On Oct 19, 2:33�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> state.edu> wrote:
> > In article
> > <5016fe96-62f9-49b0-873e-0672e8f02...(a)l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > On Oct 19, 1:01�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> > > state.edu> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <8934936e-f090-4dd9-9841-693d307ef...(a)f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Oct 17, 4:36�pm, The Hammer <GaGolfer2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Oct 17, 12:31�pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Guardian life insurance company of America �issued a policy to a
> > > > > > > resident of the state of New York with muscular dystrophy. �Their
> > > > > > > annual payout to keep him alive is more than a million dollars.
> > > > > > > The Washington Times reported that since it would be illegal to
> > > > > > > cancel
> > > > > > > this one person's policy, �Guardian �legally cancelled the whole
> > > > > > > line
> > > > > > > of coverage that insured everybody like him in the state of New
> > > > > > > York,
> > > > > > > which wiped out an entire class of policy holders to avoid paying
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > for one person. �
> >
> > > > > > > The Washington Times also reported that, "in an email one
> > > > > > > Guardian
> > > > > > > life insurance co. executive called high-cost patients such as
> > > > > > > Mr.
> > > > > > > Pearl, 'Dogs' that the company could 'get rid of.' "
> >
> > > > > > > Guardian's net income for 2008 was $437 million.
> >
> > > > > > > BK
> >
> > > > > > This is unfortunate, but the sad reality is that there are only so
> > > > > > much financial resources out there. � The goal of a private
> > > > > > insurance
> > > > > > company is to make a profit, �or meet their costs at the very
> > > > > > least,
> > > > > > while at the same time please as many policyholders as they can.
> > > > > > �The
> > > > > > needs of the few are outweighed by the needs of the many. �This is
> > > > > > unfortunate, I do not endose this, but that is just the way it is.
> >
> > > > > > If the government takes over these payments, do you think they will
> > > > > > readily assume the annual payment of $1 million + dollars?. �There
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > not enough money there either, you can only tax people so much, tax
> > > > > > the insurance companies �so much, and cut Medicare and
> > > > > > reimbursements
> > > > > > to physicians. � So, while the insurance company is rationing, the
> > > > > > government will find a way to ration also. � There is simply not
> > > > > > enough money to go around, and physicians and hospitals will �not
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > the work for nothing, their overhead is alarming and without
> > > > > > revenue
> > > > > > they cease to exist. � �We are seeing Darwinism in action here, the
> > > > > > weak will perish, the strong will survive. �That is very
> > > > > > unfortunate,
> > > > > > but society does not have unlimited resources to do custodial care
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > this for millions of patients, they may just have to die. � And
> > > > > > while
> > > > > > that is very sad, it breaks my heart, that is they way it will
> > > > > > probably be. �Because we have a government that has set its
> > > > > > priorities. �There is always money it seems to conduct false wars,
> > > > > > bail out banks and brokerage houses, bail out failed industries,
> > > > > > �give
> > > > > > favors to prized political contributors, fund stupid pork projects,
> > > > > > and � help foreign nations rebuild their infrastructures, but it
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > there is never enough to take care of the weak and sick. �A good
> > > > > > example, � New Orleans is still a mess, will remain a mess, � but
> > > > > > there is always money to rebuild elsewhere. � �This President
> > > > > > promised
> > > > > > change, he is a bigger liar and panderer than any before when it
> > > > > > comes
> > > > > > to enabling big business and handing out political favors. �It is
> > > > > > sad,
> > > > > > but the people who supported Obama the most and bought into this BS
> > > > > > line of hope, are the ones at the front of the line to get screwed.
> > > > > > Bush was a fool, we now have a bigger fool in place. �He could not
> > > > > > care less about the sick and weak, all he cares about is political
> > > > > > power. �This has nothing to do with health care, �anyone that buys
> > > > > > into anything else is just plain stupid. �And these stupid people
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > be the first in line to play the victum card when this all passes
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > they �find themselves taxed to death, and �with less to show for
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > these taxes.
> >
> > > > > He caught you hook, line and sinker! Firstly, what would cause DMD to
> > > > > cost a million bucks in a year? It's absurd. There is no cure for it.
> > > > > All you can do is alleviate the symptoms.
> >
> > > > > Secondly. I heard the same company doled out $4 million to treat a
> > > > > woman with a rare form of breast cancer when they didn't have to.
> > > > > They
> > > > > just comped it to her.
> >
> > > > > I've also heard of many pharmaceutical companies comping expensive
> > > > > cancer drugs to people who lack financial resources.
> >
> > > > But you don't have a cite for any of these urban legends, do you?
> >
> > > Oh, I'm sorry...The Washington Times reported that with respect to
> > > "death panels", in the government plan an "office will be reserved for
> > > people willing to recruit into the government-subsidized health care
> > > system insurance companies that are willing to take money to take
> > > human lives."
> >
> > OK, you will have to try to put this into some kind of comprehensible
> > version of English that the rest of us speak. But I suppose your Moonie
> > paper didn't quote any reliable source either, did it?
>
> Read the OP before you speak. I used the same reference as the OP. I
> guess you missed that. Have your PSEN gene function
> checked...really.....

No, he didn't. Check the OP again - have your ocular function checked.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Oct 19, 6:35 pm, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote:
> <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ftfpd5pqnig8774tmavfm4p1bsatg2id9g(a)4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:18:44 -0400, "Kommienezuspadt"
> > <NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote:
>
> >><bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
> >>news:osdpd5p99h6dvbm6bpbjfnusfkj40q28ln(a)4ax.com...
> >>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr
> >>> <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Oct 19, 1:01 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> >>>>state.edu> wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <8934936e-f090-4dd9-9841-693d307ef...(a)f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>>>> Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > Secondly. I heard the same company doled out $4 million to treat a
> >>>>> > woman with a rare form of breast cancer when they didn't have to.
> >>>>> > They
> >>>>> > just comped it to her.
>
> >>>>> But you don't have a cite for any of these urban legends, do you?
>
> >>>>Oh, I'm sorry...The Washington Times reported that with respect to
> >>>>"death panels", in the government plan an "office will be reserved for
> >>>>people willing to recruit into the government-subsidized health care
> >>>>system insurance companies that are willing to take money to take
> >>>>human lives."
>
> >>> A perfect example of non sequitur Rob. Spin, spin, spin when you have
> >>> no answer.
>
> >>> Now let's have the cite about what you said above.  You know, the $4
> >>> million dole out.
>
> >>> BK
>
> >>expect crickets........
>
> > Well, at least Rob has the common sense not to overtly defend Guardian
> > in this specific instance.
>
> > BK
>
> and he has the sense to vacate the thread after he has had his head handed
> to him.

Nothing to vacate. KNIT has no citations either, other than he says
something appeared in the WT, I could pull any dis articulated
statement I wanted from any newspaper and make any claim. My post and
his are equivalent in that they say nothing.

If he can post a link to an article that says what he says, it might
be different. A million bucks to treat muscular dystrophy...in one
year? Very odd to say the least.

In any event, if that's the best lefties can come up with here, there
isn't much to the left side of the argument.
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