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From: William Clark on 23 Apr 2010 15:06 In article <4c91e34c-d66f-47bd-b604-c0ed9ae5a21a(a)j17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 23, 1:21�pm, Dinosaur Sr <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> > wrote: > > On Apr 23, 11:17�am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:06:11 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur Sr > > > > > <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote: > > > >On Apr 22, 5:28 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:45:56 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur Sr > > > > > >> >> Here's the original. Where are the quotes Rob? > > > > > >> >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:11:27 GMT, Robert Hamilton <D...(a)att.net> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> There are lots of Jazzs "artists" with big egos, big mouths and no > > > >> >> talent at all who excrete egregious rubbish, and trumpet their > > > >> >> great > > > >> >> "credntials" as some sort of justification for their claim that > > > >> >> their > > > >> >> "music" is great. These people have destroyed Jazz. > > > > > >> >> These were your words and you just can't deny it. > > > > > >> >Why would I deny it. I absolutely believe in that and stand by it > > > >> >100%. > > > > > >> At last. Now, I ask you again as I did in '07; Name some of these > > > >> jazz artists. You said " lots", so name a few. You couldn't then, > > > >> and you can't now. You've dug yourself a hole that you can't get out > > > >> of now. Either put up or shut up. > > > > > >> Please don't be so childish as to use my name. That would further > > > >> demonstrate your lack of knowledge. I have never made any such > > > >> justification. > > > > > >Really? What ambitions am I supposed to want to have? > > > > > <clip> > > > > > Trying to name a few of the "lots of Jazzs (sic) "artists" " would be > > > a start. �:-) > > > > > Nice dodge. > > > > > BK > > > > Dodge? I answered your question. You still can't comprehend the > > writings of others.... > > > > As to this question, a general answer will do. I have *NEVER* met an > > academic Jazz person who is accepting of the innovations and novel > > ideas of their students. They are *ALWAYS* hostile. JM experience, I > > suppose, but I include you in this group.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I am an alumnus of Berklee College of Music, Boston, Mass., a jazz > school, and I can say in no uncertain terms that your assertion is > preposterous (for lack of a stronger adjective). The "academic jazz > persons" who comprised the faculty there were never "hostile" and were > always "accepting of the innovations and novel ideas of their > students." Tell us -- what experience do you have that leads you to > think otherwise? He has absolutely none. Zip. But that never stops him from posing as an "expert" on any topic, and then refusing to back down.
From: bknight on 21 Apr 2010 16:57 >> >> Show me where I've ever issued the braggadocio for which you're famous >> here. >> >> BK > >First of all, just with the braggadocio you accuse me of. You're too easy Rob. How about this, which you denied saying. Feb 16, 2003 "Frostback" <Frostb...(a)nospam.buy> news:3E502A3F.84B030CB(a)nospam.buy... > Ball in rough. Sitting up. 180. Green soft. 4I. No real obstructions (no > way that tree comes into play unless you hit a bad shot. I could make > that shot. Here's the shot you can make. LOL. Check #8 http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/6333/Sports++Recreation/Video+List+Tiger+Woods+Top+10+Shots.aspx Wanna deny it again? I won't call you a liar, you just have lapses of memory...and common sense. > >Another is your ridiculous criticism of the theory I posted on the >origins of Jazz. Not on the origins Rob, you're losing your memory. Here's the post of yours to which I took issue. >There is almost no way some kid can pick up a sax, work on it in >their bedroom for 5 or 10 years, develop some novel sound (that is in fact >great) and gain any acceptance in the Jazz world, dominated it as it is by >untalented overeducated fops, who quite often can barely play their instruments. Then I asked you to name names, and you never responded, because you couldn't. > As anyone with any capacity to understand other >people's writing would know, for no other reason than I pointed it >out, I got those ideas from published scholarly works of people who >have studied Jazz...but you, in classic self aggrandizing >braggadociousness, summarily dismiss this scholarship on the basis of >your having tooted some horn for 30 years or so as a semi professional >sessions player and having taught some non majors music course at a >community college. Nope. As you well know, I have a degree from UNT in jazz, the largest, and first university to offer such. That should answer your scholarly BS. Yep, I tooted my horn for over 35 years,with such semi pros as the Stan Kenton and Benny Goodman bands. That also includes recording in the L.A. studios for twenty years, movie scores, records and TV. I composed the music for several TV shows, including 3 of Norman Lear's. That ain't semi pro. Then I returned to UNT to teach in the largest jazz program in the nation. You don't have a clue about the world of professional music, or jazz. You're a blowhard. > >All you have ever done here is try to pump up your phoney image by >venting hostility towards others. Pump up my image? I think not. This is the first time in my 14 years on RSG that I've mentioned the above. Incidentally, where are you teaching now? Love, BK
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 21 Apr 2010 17:24 On Apr 21, 4:57 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > You're too easy Rob. > > How about this, which you denied saying. > > Feb 16, 2003 > "Frostback" <Frostb...(a)nospam.buy>news:3E502A3F.84B030CB(a)nospam.buy... > > > Ball in rough. Sitting up. 180. Green soft. 4I. No real obstructions (no > > way that tree comes into play unless you hit a bad shot. I could make > > that shot. > I've never denied saying that. I could make that shot. That's where you are the braggadocios fool, because you quite obviously claim I could not, but won't stand by your claim. You now want to stand up to your claim that I cannot make that shot? Or are you going to come up with another load of bluster to try to deflect your lunacy? I also said that I would make the shot more often than Mark Koenig could break 80 playing from the tips of the Azeleas course at Dancing Rabbit. I stand by that as well because IMHO Mark Koenig could never break 80 at the Azeleas course at Dancing Rabbit, whereas sooner or later I would make the shot. > Wanna deny it again? I won't call you a liar, you just have lapses of > memory...and common sense. Who's denying? That's the lie here, and you are the one doing the lying. > >Another is your ridiculous criticism of the theory I posted on the > >origins of Jazz. > > Not on the origins Rob, you're losing your memory. Here's the post of > yours to which I took issue. > > >There is almost no way some kid can pick up a sax, work on it in > >their bedroom for 5 or 10 years, develop some novel sound (that is in fact > >great) and gain any acceptance in the Jazz world, dominated it as it is by > >untalented overeducated fops, who quite often can barely play their instruments. > > Then I asked you to name names, and you never responded, because you > couldn't. Name names of who? The over-eduated fops? You, for starters. > > As anyone with any capacity to understand other > >people's writing would know, for no other reason than I pointed it > >out, I got those ideas from published scholarly works of people who > >have studied Jazz...but you, in classic self aggrandizing > >braggadociousness, summarily dismiss this scholarship on the basis of > >your having tooted some horn for 30 years or so as a semi professional > >sessions player and having taught some non majors music course at a > >community college. > > Nope. As you well know, I have a degree from UNT in jazz, the > largest, and first university to offer such. That should answer your > scholarly BS. > > Yep, I tooted my horn for over 35 years,with such semi pros as the > Stan Kenton and Benny Goodman bands. That also includes recording in > the L.A. studios for twenty years, movie scores, records and TV. I > composed the music for several TV shows, including 3 of Norman Lear's. > That ain't semi pro. Then I returned to UNT to teach in the largest > jazz program in the nation. You don't have a clue about the world of > professional music, or jazz. You're a blowhard. > Who cares? You are not a scholar. The authors I read are scholars. I knew a woman once who played in a major symphony. She could hardly play. They used her when they needed a large number of violins for a couple of chords here and there. In any event, you could be Benny Goodman, it still wouldn't be in and of itself a reason to disparage the scholarship of music historians, and you are not a music historian; that's a fact. However, in full braggadocio, you disparage the works of music historians. Your responses are laden with pretentious braggadocios statements about your great music background, and zero authority on anything. That you do not know why a lot of people think Eddie Taylor invented R&R...you don't even know the rationale for that view, let alone make any statement against it, the great *YOU* simply proclaims it is off the map. Same goes for Mississippi as the place where the blues started. You don't know the rationale for this, because you are obviously irrational. Another widely held view, and there is good evidence for it, but the great *YOU* disparages it, again, with no legitimate reason...reason...the one human trait you lack!
From: bknight on 21 Apr 2010 17:59 On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote: >On Apr 21, 4:57�pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> You're too easy Rob. � >> >> How about this, which you denied saying. >> >> Feb 16, 2003 >> "Frostback" <Frostb...(a)nospam.buy>news:3E502A3F.84B030CB(a)nospam.buy... >> >> > Ball in rough. Sitting up. 180. Green soft. 4I. No real obstructions (no >> > way that tree comes into play unless you hit a bad shot. I could make >> > that shot. >> > >I've never denied saying that. I could make that shot. You certainly did deny it. And now that its in print you're doing your tap dance again. Remember that there are those still here that remember this highlight of your Hoopleness. :-) > That's where you are the braggadocios fool, because you quite obviously claim I >could not, but won't stand by your claim. You now want to stand up to >your claim that I cannot make that shot? Or are you going to come up >with another load of bluster to try to deflect your lunacy? You're insane. Check the video again. You would spend the rest of your life trying to emulate it. >I also>said that I would make the shot more often than Mark Koenig could >break 80 playing from the tips of the Azeleas course at Dancing >Rabbit. I stand by that as well because IMHO Mark Koenig could never >break 80 at the Azeleas course at Dancing Rabbit, whereas sooner or >later I would make the shot. What the hell does that have to do with anything? More blustering and deflection. None of that has anything to do with your bragging. > >> Wanna deny it again? �I won't call you a liar, you just have lapses of >> memory...and common sense. > >Who's denying? That's the lie here, and you are the one doing the >lying. > >> >Another is your ridiculous criticism of the theory I posted on the >> >origins of Jazz. >> >> Not on the origins Rob, you're losing your memory. �Here's the post of >> yours to which I took issue. >> >> >There is almost no way some kid can pick up a sax, work on it in >> >their bedroom for 5 or 10 years, develop some novel sound (that is in fact >> >great) and gain any acceptance in the Jazz world, dominated it as it is by >> >untalented overeducated fops, who quite often can barely play their instruments. >> >> Then I asked you to name names, and you never responded, because you >> couldn't. > >Name names of who? The over-eduated fops? You, for starters. Now I'm over eduaed (sic)? You're stumbling all over yourself Rob. > >> > As anyone with any capacity to understand other >> >people's writing would know, for no other reason than I pointed it >> >out, I got those ideas from published scholarly works of people who >> >have studied Jazz. BS. Cite any of those published scholars and stick to the issue which is: >> >There is almost no way some kid can pick up a sax, work on it in >> >their bedroom for 5 or 10 years, develop some novel sound (that is in fact >> >great) and gain any acceptance in the Jazz world, dominated it as it is by >> >untalented overeducated fops, who quite often can barely play their instruments. >> >>>.but you, in classic self aggrandizingbraggadociousness, summarily dismiss this scholarship on the basis of >> >your having tooted some horn for 30 years or so as a semi professional >> >sessions player and having taught some non majors music course at a >> >community college. >> >> Nope. �As you well know, I have a degree from UNT in jazz, the >> largest, and first university to offer such. �That should answer your >> scholarly BS. � >> >> Yep, I tooted my horn for over 35 years,with such semi pros as the >> Stan Kenton and Benny Goodman bands. �That also includes �recording in >> the L.A. studios for twenty years, movie scores, records and TV. �I >> composed the music for several TV shows, including 3 of Norman Lear's. >> That ain't semi pro. �Then I returned to UNT to teach in the largest >> jazz program in the nation. �You don't have a clue about the world of >> professional music, or jazz. �You're a blowhard. >> > >Who cares? You are not a scholar. The authors I read are scholars Cite, the scholars' quoted on the issue in question. One would thing that a degree in a specific area would entail reading scholars in that area. You can be sure that my " over education" included that. >knew a woman once who played in a major symphony. She could hardly >play. They used her when they needed a large number of violins for a >couple of chords here and there. In any event, you could be Benny >Goodman, it still wouldn't be in and of itself a reason to disparage >the scholarship of music historians, and you are not a music >historian; that's a fact. However, in full braggadocio, you disparage >the works of music historians. Your responses are laden with >pretentious braggadocios statements about your great music background, >and zero authority on anything Where have I disparaged anyone but you? I mentioned my background today for the first time because you made hostile statements about it. They were hostile, right Rob? What a hypocrite. One can't depend on their livelihood for years in the music studios without the ability to perform. There you're only as good as your last recording date. You don't get second chances for twenty odd years. > >That you do not know why a lot of people think Eddie Taylor invented >R&R...you don't even know the rationale for that view, let alone make >any statement against it, the great *YOU* simply proclaims it is off >the map. Same goes for Mississippi as the place where the blues >started. You don't know the rationale for this, because you are >obviously irrational. Another widely held view, and there is good >evidence for it, but the great *YOU* disparages it, again, with no >legitimate reason...reason...the one human trait you lack! What the hell are you blathering about? I don't care about your opinions of music history. You have no idea what the real world of professional music is about. You still haven't mentioned the name of your new employment. Since you consider the University of North Texas a community college you must now have moved up in the world of education from Mississippi College. Or not. Blather on. Loser. LOL BK
From: Carbon on 21 Apr 2010 18:19
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:57:32 -0500, bknight wrote: > Feb 16, 2003 "Frostback" <Frostb...(a)nospam.buy> > news:3E502A3F.84B030CB(a)nospam.buy... > >> Ball in rough. Sitting up. 180. Green soft. 4I. No real obstructions >> (no way that tree comes into play unless you hit a bad shot. I could >> make that shot. > > Here's the shot you can make. LOL. Check #8 > http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/6333/Sports++Recreation/ Video+List+Tiger+Woods+Top+10+Shots.aspx > > Wanna deny it again? I won't call you a liar, you just have lapses of > memory...and common sense. I vaguely remember the controversy around this one. To me anyway it does seem more plausible than Larry's alleged 230 yard 2-irons. I'd probably hit a 5 from that distance, especially if the lie was decent. |