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From: cja on 5 Dec 2007 15:04
On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:

> The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> golf swing (for late beginners).
>
You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
you don't want in your golf swing.

> [Your pro] will almost certainly fix your grip--because it MUST
> be neutral or even weak. A strong grip with the clubface held closed
> will NOT work. You will hook or even duck hook every ball.
>
In the last video I saw of you (pump-n-go drill) your grip was
incredibly strong. Is your pro helping you fix your grip? I get the
feeling that a lot of what you post here is regurgitation of what you
heard at your last lesson; which may not be bad, but you usually don't
present it as such.

- cja
From: Alan Baker on 5 Dec 2007 15:40
In article
<8703e60c-ed0b-490e-86f0-8749d446dc6d(a)e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
cja <cja(a)excite.com> wrote:

> On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
>
> > The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> > automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> > golf swing (for late beginners).
> >
> You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
> shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
> When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
> front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
> you don't want in your golf swing.
>
> > [Your pro] will almost certainly fix your grip--because it MUST
> > be neutral or even weak. A strong grip with the clubface held closed
> > will NOT work. You will hook or even duck hook every ball.
> >
> In the last video I saw of you (pump-n-go drill) your grip was
> incredibly strong. Is your pro helping you fix your grip? I get the
> feeling that a lot of what you post here is regurgitation of what you
> heard at your last lesson; which may not be bad, but you usually don't
> present it as such.
>
> - cja

Yup.

Larry takes whatever his pro-de-jour is trying to get him to do and
assumes the entire golfing world suffers from his flaws.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
From: Dene on 5 Dec 2007 15:59
On Dec 5, 12:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <8703e60c-ed0b-490e-86f0-8749d446d...(a)e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> cja <c...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
>
> > > The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> > > automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> > > golf swing (for late beginners).
>
> > You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
> > shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
> > When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
> > front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
> > you don't want in your golf swing.
>
> > > [Your pro] will almost certainly fix your grip--because it MUST
> > > be neutral or even weak. A strong grip with the clubface held closed
> > > will NOT work. You will hook or even duck hook every ball.
>
> > In the last video I saw of you (pump-n-go drill) your grip was
> > incredibly strong. Is your pro helping you fix your grip? I get the
> > feeling that a lot of what you post here is regurgitation of what you
> > heard at your last lesson; which may not be bad, but you usually don't
> > present it as such.
>
> > - cja
>
> Yup.
>
> Larry takes whatever his pro-de-jour is trying to get him to do and
> assumes the entire golfing world suffers from his flaws.
>

Alan! It's perfectly proper for a guy to take a lesson and then share
the learned principles with others. There is no hint of arrogance or
assumption in these posts. Previous ones...sure...but those have been
dealt with ad nauseum. Can't you give your grudge a rest and just
deal with the content of the OP instead of hijacking it into another
Larry/Baker pissing match?

-Greg
From: cja on 5 Dec 2007 16:48
On Dec 5, 3:59 pm, Dene <gdst...(a)aol.com> wrote:

> Alan! It's perfectly proper for a guy to take a lesson and then share
> the learned principles with others. There is no hint of arrogance or
> assumption in these posts. Previous ones...sure...but those have been
> dealt with ad nauseum. Can't you give your grudge a rest and just
> deal with the content of the OP instead of hijacking it into another
> Larry/Baker pissing match?
>
At the risk of getting soaked in the crossfire ... I agree with your
statement, Greg, but I often object to the tone, and frequently the
content, of Larry's posts. He's always giving us the latest "truth",
and writing as if he's mastered it. Most of us have seen enough
golfers that we need only a quick glance at a grip and swing to get a
pretty good idea of how the person plays. From what I've seen of Larry
in his video clips, he's is not a guy who should be saying "I can
shoot scratch". I'm sure Larry doesn't deserve every bit of vitriol
directed his way, but he's far from an innocent victim.

- cja


From: Dene on 5 Dec 2007 17:03
On Dec 5, 1:48 pm, cja <c...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 3:59 pm, Dene <gdst...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Alan! It's perfectly proper for a guy to take a lesson and then share
> > the learned principles with others. There is no hint of arrogance or
> > assumption in these posts. Previous ones...sure...but those have been
> > dealt with ad nauseum. Can't you give your grudge a rest and just
> > deal with the content of the OP instead of hijacking it into another
> > Larry/Baker pissing match?
>
> At the risk of getting soaked in the crossfire ... I agree with your
> statement, Greg, but I often object to the tone, and frequently the
> content, of Larry's posts. He's always giving us the latest "truth",
> and writing as if he's mastered it. Most of us have seen enough
> golfers that we need only a quick glance at a grip and swing to get a
> pretty good idea of how the person plays. From what I've seen of Larry
> in his video clips, he's is not a guy who should be saying "I can
> shoot scratch". I'm sure Larry doesn't deserve every bit of vitriol
> directed his way, but he's far from an innocent victim.
>
> - cja

Absolutely agree....he's not an innocent victim. This post is a
change in tune from his previous trolls and it has merit, not only in
his citation of Hogan, but that it came from his pro. Therefore, I'm
interested.

-Greg
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