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From: The_Professor on 5 Dec 2007 17:21
On Dec 5, 2:04 pm, cja <c...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
>
> > The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> > automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> > golf swing (for late beginners).
>
> You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
> shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
> When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
> front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
> you don't want in your golf swing.
>
Actually, I was corrected once when someone said a golf swing is more
like a baseball pitch, and I disagreed. The good thing was I learned
something by admitting I was wrong (it's a major way learning
happens). The pitcher makes a 100% transfer to the front leg, and at
least looks like a very good analogy when you look at a vid in slow
motion.
From: larryrsf on 5 Dec 2007 19:32
On Dec 5, 12:04 pm, cja <c...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
>
> > The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> > automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> > golf swing (for late beginners).
>
> You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
> shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
> When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
> front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
> you don't want in your golf swing.
>
> > [Your pro] will almost certainly fix your grip--because it MUST
> > be neutral or even weak. A strong grip with the clubface held closed
> > will NOT work. You will hook or even duck hook every ball.
>
> In the last video I saw of you (pump-n-go drill) your grip was
> incredibly strong. Is your pro helping you fix your grip? I get the
> feeling that a lot of what you post here is regurgitation of what you
> heard at your last lesson; which may not be bad, but you usually don't
> present it as such.

Absolutely correct. When we started working on the supinated wrist
release, that grip would no longer work! I had to go back to an
absolutely neutral, even weak grip like Hogan suggested. That grip
was the first thing he fixed.

BTW, that strong grip is fine at the mid handicap level. It is
actually taught because it works. But the golfer who cannot make the
supinated wrist release is NOT going to hit penetrating shots,
compress the ball at impact. Like "The Jeffersons" on TV a few years
ago, I want to "move on up."

Larry

> - cja

From: larryrsf on 5 Dec 2007 19:36
On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, The_Professor <d...(a)att.net> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 2:04 pm, cja <c...(a)excite.com> wrote:> On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
>
> > > The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> > > automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> > > golf swing (for late beginners).
>
> > You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
> > shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
> > When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
> > front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
> > you don't want in your golf swing.
>
> Actually, I was corrected once when someone said a golf swing is more
> like a baseball pitch, and I disagreed. The good thing was I learned
> something by admitting I was wrong (it's a major way learning
> happens). The pitcher makes a 100% transfer to the front leg, and at
> least looks like a very good analogy when you look at a vid in slow
> motion.

That someone is Jim Flick, famous golf swing teacher for 50+ years and
who ran the Jack Nicklaus School of Golf, worked with Jack Nicklaus
and many others. He comes on TGC Academy Live periodically and nearly
always advises us to swing it in slow motion like a baseball bat,
exaggerate the motion and the weight shift, especially the sequence,
then bend over and make the same motion through the golf ball. It is
a VERY good pre-swing practice on the course.


Larry

From: Alan Baker on 5 Dec 2007 23:40
In article
<9cb8f05d-ceba-4292-b24e-49f137716e61(a)s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
larryrsf <larry(a)delmardata.com> wrote:

> On Dec 5, 12:04 pm, cja <c...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> > > automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> > > golf swing (for late beginners).
> >
> > You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
> > shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
> > When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
> > front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
> > you don't want in your golf swing.
> >
> > > [Your pro] will almost certainly fix your grip--because it MUST
> > > be neutral or even weak. A strong grip with the clubface held closed
> > > will NOT work. You will hook or even duck hook every ball.
> >
> > In the last video I saw of you (pump-n-go drill) your grip was
> > incredibly strong. Is your pro helping you fix your grip? I get the
> > feeling that a lot of what you post here is regurgitation of what you
> > heard at your last lesson; which may not be bad, but you usually don't
> > present it as such.
>
> Absolutely correct. When we started working on the supinated wrist
> release, that grip would no longer work! I had to go back to an
> absolutely neutral, even weak grip like Hogan suggested. That grip
> was the first thing he fixed.
>
> BTW, that strong grip is fine at the mid handicap level. It is
> actually taught because it works. But the golfer who cannot make the
> supinated wrist release is NOT going to hit penetrating shots,
> compress the ball at impact. Like "The Jeffersons" on TV a few years
> ago, I want to "move on up."
>
> Larry
>
> > - cja

Which would be fine, ...


....except for the little fact that you're forever telling everyone
you've already moved.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
From: Dene on 6 Dec 2007 00:13
On Dec 5, 8:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <9cb8f05d-ceba-4292-b24e-49f137716...(a)s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 5, 12:04 pm, cja <c...(a)excite.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 5, 1:06 pm, larryrsf <la...(a)delmardata.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The transition move to the front leg before the arms come down is
> > > > automatic in the baseball swing-- and very difficult to learn in the
> > > > golf swing (for late beginners).
>
> > > You've used the baseball swing before as an example of the weight
> > > shift you need in a golf swing, but I don't think it's a good analogy.
> > > When I played ball I fought a bad habit of too much weight shift to my
> > > front leg. There's some 'hang back' needed in the baseball swing that
> > > you don't want in your golf swing.
>
> > > > [Your pro] will almost certainly fix your grip--because it MUST
> > > > be neutral or even weak. A strong grip with the clubface held closed
> > > > will NOT work. You will hook or even duck hook every ball.
>
> > > In the last video I saw of you (pump-n-go drill) your grip was
> > > incredibly strong. Is your pro helping you fix your grip? I get the
> > > feeling that a lot of what you post here is regurgitation of what you
> > > heard at your last lesson; which may not be bad, but you usually don't
> > > present it as such.
>
> > Absolutely correct. When we started working on the supinated wrist
> > release, that grip would no longer work! I had to go back to an
> > absolutely neutral, even weak grip like Hogan suggested. That grip
> > was the first thing he fixed.
>
> > BTW, that strong grip is fine at the mid handicap level. It is
> > actually taught because it works. But the golfer who cannot make the
> > supinated wrist release is NOT going to hit penetrating shots,
> > compress the ball at impact. Like "The Jeffersons" on TV a few years
> > ago, I want to "move on up."
>
> > Larry
>
> > > - cja
>
> Which would be fine, ...
>
> ...except for the little fact that you're forever telling everyone
> you've already moved.

Of course he's moved. Isn't the game of golf, i.e. the pursuit of
improving one's game, a journey....or in my case, a roller coaster.

-Greg
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