From: John B. on
On May 11, 5:24 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <4fb48943-1461-4c48-9efa-caf0c307c...(a)p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>  "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 4:28 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > In article <hscdpr$uv...(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
>
> > >  "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:alangbaker-92E834.11330008052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > > In article <84kmkjF9o...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> Agree.  I wouldn't know where to begin to buy cocaine.
>
> > > > > Trying going to a night club.
>
> > > > Seriously?  You think a night club is a good place to score cocaine?
> > > >  What,
> > > > just start asking people at the bar?  The bartender?  When the waitress
> > > > asks
> > > > for your order you say, I want an eight ball and two straws?
>
> > > > That is funny.
>
> > > Did I say it was where you would buy it? I said it was where you might
> > > *begin*.
>
> > So, if I'm looking for cocaine, I should ask total strangers in a bar
> > for tips on how to go about it, as opposed to asking them if they have
> > any to sell? Is that what you're saying? Work with me here, Alan.
>
> Yup.
>
> You do realize that such transactions happen all the time, right?
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

Do they now? Back when I was into drugs, those sorts of transactions
never happened. Anybody who walked up to a stranger in a bar and asked
about how to buy cocaine would have been regarded as some kind of
psycho. But maybe things have changed.
From: John B. on
On May 11, 5:46 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
>
> news:acgju5thfsr21lgouu1d147u393sj0ubot(a)4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 11 May 2010 13:28:50 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>In article <hscdpr$uv...(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
> >> "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:alangbaker-92E834.11330008052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> >>> > In article <84kmkjF9o...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> >>> > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> Agree.  I wouldn't know where to begin to buy cocaine.
>
> >>> > Trying going to a night club.
>
> >>> Seriously?  You think a night club is a good place to score cocaine?
> >>> What,
> >>> just start asking people at the bar?  The bartender?  When the waitress
> >>> asks
> >>> for your order you say, I want an eight ball and two straws?
>
> >>> That is funny.
>
> >>Did I say it was where you would buy it? I said it was where you might
> >>*begin*.
>
> > Hell, I don't even know what  an " eight ball and two straws"  is, but
> > Moderate obviously has some experience with it.  :-)
>
> > BK
>
> 3.5 grams, bout  $300 bucks. ;-)

Wow, prices have gone down.
From: John B. on
On May 11, 8:01 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87
> @b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > In article <co2gu5d0meg5o9ptmefk7gv8fbdsq59...(a)4ax.com>,
> > > bkni...(a)conramp.net says...
>
> > > > I have no problem with that at all, and I have no problem with
> > > > enforcing our border.
>
> > > > Let's just get this straight.  Say that there's a 40 year old man
> > > > living in Mexico with his wife, two sons and a daughter.  His wife is
> > > > not well and he hasn't worked in weeks.  Can't find a job.  One of his
> > > > compadres tells him that across the border in Texas he can get a job
> > > > paying $20 dollars a day working in the fields, so in desperation he
> > > > makes a 50 mile trip on foot, and crosses the border,hoping to stay a
> > > > couple of weeks then return home to try to find work there again.
>
> > > > Please don't tell me you would murder this man that's only trying to
> > > > put food in his family's stomach, doing labor that no U.S. citizen
> > > > will do.
>
> > > What if this same man was caught stealing to provide for his family. Is
> > > his action any less illegal?
>
> > > The issue at hand is do laws have meaning and should the law breaker be
> > > treated the same in the eyes of the law.
>
> > > What if this same man kill the owner of a store while he was stealing to
> > > provide for his family?
>
> > > We always hear from the left that we are a nation of laws, that the
> > > police and the courts will protect us, however, when our laws, police
> > > and courts need to protect us we are told that they guy was just trying
> > > to provide for his family. What do you think the guy who had his goods
> > > stolen was doing? He was trying to provide for his family and doing so
> > > within the law.
>
> > > I have yet to see, hear or read of a legal exception that states that
> > > the law doesn't apply when the person's post-transgression explanation
> > > was I was just trying to provide for my family.
>
> > > Legality and convictions are two separate classifications. You can be
> > > illegally performing an act and not have been convicted of the act which
> > > doesn't make the act any less illegal.
>
> > You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and
> > killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that
> > everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief
> > and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right?
>
> No I haven't changed the standard. You fail to realized that illegally
> entering the US is the same as illegally entering your house, both are
> crimes and both should be punished. However, you believe one should be
> rewarded. And, maybe you believe entering your house illegally should be
> rewarded too.

You have a habit of mischaracterizing people's beliefs to justify your
own. I do not believe illegal aliens should be rewarded. But I don't
believe they should be killed, either. Since you're so adamant about
upholding the law, why is it that you want to condone murder? It's sad
that you're not smart enough to understand what the consequences would
be.
From: Alan Baker on
In article
<1c361c91-e00b-42c7-a830-e62559eed602(a)b18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 11, 5:24�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <4fb48943-1461-4c48-9efa-caf0c307c...(a)p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > �"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 11, 4:28�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <hscdpr$uv...(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
> >
> > > > �"Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> > > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> > > > >news:alangbaker-92E834.11330008052010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > > > > > In article <84kmkjF9o...(a)mid.individual.net>,
> > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> Agree. �I wouldn't know where to begin to buy cocaine.
> >
> > > > > > Trying going to a night club.
> >
> > > > > Seriously? �You think a night club is a good place to score cocaine?
> > > > > �What,
> > > > > just start asking people at the bar? �The bartender? �When the
> > > > > waitress
> > > > > asks
> > > > > for your order you say, I want an eight ball and two straws?
> >
> > > > > That is funny.
> >
> > > > Did I say it was where you would buy it? I said it was where you might
> > > > *begin*.
> >
> > > So, if I'm looking for cocaine, I should ask total strangers in a bar
> > > for tips on how to go about it, as opposed to asking them if they have
> > > any to sell? Is that what you're saying? Work with me here, Alan.
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> > You do realize that such transactions happen all the time, right?
> >
> > --
> > Alan Baker
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
>
> Do they now? Back when I was into drugs, those sorts of transactions
> never happened. Anybody who walked up to a stranger in a bar and asked
> about how to buy cocaine would have been regarded as some kind of
> psycho. But maybe things have changed.

I've had strangers walk up to me and asked me if I wanted to buy, so I
can't see that this is a great stretch.

Besides, there's always the 6 degrees of separation thing.

If you don't know someone from whom you could buy, and if you don't know
somebody who knows somebody, I'd still bet that you know somebody, who
knows somebody, who knows somebody from whom you could.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: kenpitts on
On May 11, 12:47 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ><bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
> >news:m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com....
> >> >On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> >> <clip>
> >> >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and
> >> >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that
> >> >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief
> >> >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right?
>
> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> >A chance to do what?
>
> >> >-Greg
>
> >> C'mon Greg.  That's perfectly clear.  I wouldn't dare ask you, or
> >> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its
> >> so complicated, , but I will ask you this:
>
> >> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone
> >> crossing our borders illegally should be summarily  killed?
>
> >> That only requires a simple yes or no.
>
> >> BK
>
> >------------------------------------------------------
>
> >I believe I answered the question earlier.
>
> Sorry, I didn't see that.> Bert is wrong about this but at least he has the guts to offer a solution.
>
>   Hell, dropping an H bomb on Mexico could be called a solution,to
> consider murder as a solution is more than a stretch.
>
> > I don't believe securing our borders is particularily complicated.  It's a matter of political will.
>
> Since neither party, when in power, has been able to do this there
> must be some complications.  Money is the main culprit.
>
>
>
> >My question to John remains.  He seems to imply that an illegal should have
> >a chance to prove himself.  I think not.
>
> Of course he should.  That's what the American justice system is built
> on.  Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what
> BAR's solution is.
>
> BK
>
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The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals
charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo.

Ken