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From: BAR on 12 May 2010 08:31 In article <q1vju5pd5tu1gocqtt9bej9tmkveenfsbg(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:02:10 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >Your problem Bobby is that you refuse to address the hard problems. And, > >your refusal to adress the hard problems is then transferred to everyone > >else. You would rather sit back, throw your hands in the air and say > >live and let live. When in reality that attitude is what continually > >gets us in trouble. > > Sometimes realizing that there is nothing that will solve things > completely is the first step in looking for a better way to improve > things. > > Whatever political persuasion you have, look at what the other side > has done to "solve" problems. > > How many political problems have you actually seen solved around the > world? Going back through history, the last 6000 years to review the recorded history, you find out that many political problems have been resolved. The problem is that most of you are unwilling to acknowledge the solution. Talk delays the resolution, action resolves the problems quickly.
From: BAR on 12 May 2010 08:37 In article <4be9f2aa$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 11:17:20 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4be8a809$0$16094$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 12:00:08 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:4be78b05$0$4851$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>> > >>>> This Dobbsian anti-immigration hysteria (THEY'RE SPREADING > >>>> LEPROSY!!!) surfaces whenever the Republicans are out of office, > >>>> and dies away again when they get back in. All this racism does > >>>> wonders for rallying the true believers, but the reality is that > >>>> many important industries are dependent on undocumented workers. > >>>> Tyson Foods, et al, do not care which party is in power; they will > >>>> grease however many palms it takes to ensure that their cheap labor > >>>> pool is left alone. > >>>> > >>>> So, my take is that the money does not want immigration reform, > >>>> therefore it will not happen. Also, it's very possible that illegal > >>>> workers are a net gain to the economy. I have never heard a > >>>> coherent argument to the contrary from the right. > >>> > >>> You refuse to listen. > >> > >> Of course I listen. I listen to all the empty slogans from the > >> anti-immigration ideologues. I listen to their little theories. My > >> favorite so far is Bert's suggestion to just shoot illegal aliens. > >> Perhaps it could be made into some sort of reality television show. > >> You know, like The Running Man. Think of the ratings. > > > > Umm, the thing you liberals cant seem to grasp is it's not > > anti-immigration, it's anti-ILLEGAL immigration. > > Obviously, everything that is declared illegal is automatically > wrong. No, everything that is declared illegal is automatically a crime, that is prosecutable and punishable. Right and wrong have nothing to do with legal and illegal. Right and wrong are moral distinctions.
From: bknight on 12 May 2010 08:38 On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts <ken.ptts(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On May 11, 12:47�pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:31:59 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >> >news:m44ju5hbdrpf9b2o5revnestdf2k4kt3m0(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 10:16:25 -0700, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:971993e3-6952-4b02-90ad-f3a4ed741a87(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... >> >> >On May 11, 7:33 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: >> >> <clip> >> >> >You've changed your standard from crossing the border to robbing and >> >> >killing after crossing the border. So your argument now is that >> >> >everyone who enters the country illegally should be presumed a thief >> >> >and a murderer and shot before he gets the chance. Right? >> >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >A chance to do what? >> >> >> >-Greg >> >> >> C'mon Greg. �That's perfectly clear. �I wouldn't dare ask you, or >> >> anyone else, for the answer to the illegal alien problem because its >> >> so complicated, , but I will ask you this: >> >> >> Do you think BAR's suggestion (now said four times here) that anyone >> >> crossing our borders illegally should be summarily �killed? >> >> >> That only requires a simple yes or no. >> >> >> BK >> >> >------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >I believe I answered the question earlier. >> >> Sorry, I didn't see that.> Bert is wrong about this but at least he has the guts to offer a solution. >> >> � Hell, dropping an H bomb on Mexico could be called a solution,to >> consider murder as a solution is more than a stretch. >> >> > I don't believe securing our borders is particularily complicated. �It's a matter of political will. >> >> Since neither party, when in power, has been able to do this there >> must be some complications. �Money is the main culprit. >> >> >> >> >My question to John remains. �He seems to imply that an illegal should have >> >a chance to prove himself. �I think not. >> >> Of course he should. �That's what the American justice system is built >> on. �Otherwise we have a police state....which is just about what >> BAR's solution is. >> >> BK >> >> >> >> - Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >The rights of which you speak are for citizens. Not for illegals >charging across our border or terrorists in Gitmo. > >Ken Wrong, and that seems to have become usual for you about this. America is not a police state and everyone that is arrested here is given a fair trial. That is a right that is afforded every human being in the U.S. BK
From: BAR on 12 May 2010 08:39 In article <4be9f45a$0$19807$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 07:38:28 -0400, BAR wrote: > > In article <4be775b9$0$19254$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 19:32:04 -0700, kenpitts wrote: > >>> On May 9, 9:13�am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Please provide proof that putting the US military on the border and > >>>> shooting anyone trying to enter the country illegally is a good > >>>> idea. > >>> > >>> Proof? We don't need no stinking proof. It is clearly a good idea. > >> > >> Ken, are you sure you don't want to re-think this one a little bit? > >> Bert here is advocating murdering everyone who appears like they > >> might be trying to cross the border illegally. > > > > Carbs, you have it all wrong. There is a definite zone the deliniates > > the division between the USA and Mexico. What I advocate is to start > > shooting those who cross the division between Mexico and the USA. > > There are already laws in Mexico and the USA that make it illegal to > > cross in either direction. What I am proposing is immediate summary > > judgement. This only needs to be done every once in a while to remind > > people of the penalty of commiting the illegal international act. > > What is it you expect this idiot xenophobia to accomplish? I mean, aside > from blowing billions or trillions of dollars, killing the tourism > industry, changing the cost of goods in many industries, and generally > doing untold billions of dollars in economic harm? I am working this issue hard so that you do not have to sit with the smelly people in the ER.
From: BAR on 12 May 2010 08:40
In article <4be9f5f2$0$18607$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 18:42:37 -0400, BAR wrote: > > In article <4be8ade2$0$22444$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:57:09 -0400, BAR wrote: > >>> In article <b7a230ab-06a3-4fd7-9b9d-c3656cb2d549 > >>> @j35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > >>>> On May 9, 10:32�pm, kenpitts <ken.p...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On May 9, 9:13�am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please provide proof that putting the US military on the border > >>>>>> and shooting anyone trying to enter the country illegally is a > >>>>>> good idea. > >>>>> > >>>>> Proof? We don't need no stinking proof. It is clearly a good idea. > >>>> > >>>> If you're stupid and barbaric. > >>> > >>> Do you have locks on the doors of your house and cars? If yes, why? > >> > >> Please tell me you're not trying to equate murdering Mexicans with > >> locking doors. > > > > Keeping illegals out of our country is just like keeping burglars out > > of your house. In that sense it is the same thing. What you and your > > ilk fail to understand is that illegal is illegal regardless of > > whether you agree with the law. > > We studied personality types in college psychology. There is a segment > of the population that is unable to distinguish the difference between > law and morality. They think that all laws are good laws and be > followed, no matter how pointless or ridiculous. These people suffer > from a condition called stupidity. See my previous post. |